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« Reply #285 on: Aug
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Sorry Jimmy, I'd like to help ya out
and vote Kerry, but there's just this war thing I
can't seem to get past. Ain't heard a peep out of
Kerry yet saying he's going to do the things that
matter, (pull the puppet government, corporate
contracts, and the troops), and last week he said
he could fight a more effective war on terrorism
(and win it, yes, he really said that), and also
that he could fight a better war in Iraq. That
just sounds more futile warring and trouble every
day. Can't put my consent on that mess, maybe in
2008 I'll join with you in voting Kerry out.
"In an interview
with the Wall Street Journal on Thursday,
Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry
declared that, if he were elected, US troops would
remain in Iraq throughout his first term in
office—to the end of 2008. The Democratic
candidate also suggested that the Bush
administration was more likely to withdraw troops
quickly than a Kerry administration".http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/jul2004/kerr-j17.shtml
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Note: The following question came up
in the "slime oozing from your TV set/Debates"
thread as the last part in some questions from
Arkay( http://www.zappa.com/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=general;action=display;num=1094577088
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this thread so the other one wouldn't become a
"candidate" thread." Hope that's OK RK
on Sep 7th, 2004,
4:44pm, Arkay
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Hi
Arkay,
Great question, I love it!
There are many reasons that go into
my personal decision to vote Nader on the
presidential ticket. They have to be taken
together. A lot of them can be found in full
detail in this "Stop Nader" thread, as my decision
moved from Kerry to stop Bush, to Nader.
I'll try to give the major reasons in as short
paragraphs as possible, (you can check out this
Nader thread for further support of these ideas).
First off, I must vote for who my
heart tells me to, and not let anything relavant
be overlooked. Politically speaking, it must be
the best decision I can make. To refer to your
suggestion in your question above, my vote is
primarly for the best man, not a vote intended to
strength any third parties in the future,
(although pulling for Nader does have this side
effect, and it's important).
Second,
it must be said that I believe that the
similarities between Bush and Kerry far oughtweigh
the differences in the most areas important to me:
This permanent war and the economy. I feel these
two areas are directly connected, war takes vast
resources and throws it at weapons and war instead
of this money being more than enough to fix our
problems at home, we accept too many
problems as 'solutionless'.
Either Kerry or
Bush will drain us to the tune of at least two
trillion (conservativly), in the next four years
for the present needless war folly, right in the
final years before the baby boomers retire and we
lose our ability fix things. I also believe that
either's policies will continue to worsen the
violence worldwide. It makes little difference who
wins between Bush or Kerry in this, one of the
most important areas for me. We will not be able
to push this government on the Iraqis, yet with
both Bush and Kerry it's full steam ahead, we
gotta have the war. It matters little to me
between the two of them who wins because the major
part of the destruction will be the same under
either Bush or Kerry, that's just the way I see
the next four years.
Both bush and
Kerry want to continue selling billions in weapons
to Israel while they continue to occupy
Palestinean land. Don't matter to me here either
if Bush or Kerry wins.
So both Bush and Kerry
are out for me...who else we got...Hey, check out
Nader. 40 year champion for the consumer, not on
the corporate take, want's to pull the corporate,
military, and government occupation from Iraq and
forget about the 14 new bases on Arab land. Shit,
sounds like we're going to free up lots of money
to fix things at home that Ralph has been
proposing. Stuff like enforcing corporate
malfeasance law and curtailing corporate welfare.
Universal health care...oh hell, the list goes on.
Ralphs hot issues are very unlike Bush and
Kerry's...there is plenty enough to swing my vote
just here alone...even if we were in peacetime.
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(continued from post above)
Next reason...
Because I am
doing a lot more than voting for Nader. One might
argue that my vote counts more than some other
American's votes. Why? Because I don't shut up,
and I speak my mind even if it doesn't conform.
Other people read what I write, and God bless 'em
they think about it, and double God bless 'em they
talk to their neighbors and so on and so on. An
active person influences another person's vote
more than a quite person. That's another reason
I'm voting Nader, the process involved is the
right thing to do.
Next reason....
Because somebody has to stand up to the
duopoly. Notice that Kucinich didn't get the
nomination, the most monied senator in the senate
did. Voting with the duopoly signifies many
things, here's a couple of examples(:
I don't
want to reward with my vote the rigged facade of
an elecroral system we've come to be dealing with,
(heck, just look at the fraud in the "debate"
thread...and that's only one aspect of it).
Going along with this bullshit it promotes it for
next time.
Same theory for the war, I'm giving
my acceptance that we must have this war when we
don't, only if we want the oil and bases we must
occupy this way. Furthermore, accepting this war
will promote them giving me another war
later...hey, it's ok with the voters, they went
along last time.
Next reason...
Because we needed to get an anti war movement
going a couple of months ago, and it hasn't
happened and it looks like it's not going to. But
I had to try, and that doesn't include voting for
Bush or Kerry, rather it promotes a lot of healthy
democratic ideas and discussion instead. It's also
a personal thing because of my upbringing. A lot
of people are now dying in vain on both sides in a
lot of places. I understand hating bush so much
someone will do anything to beat him, including
vote Kerry...but it's not the thing for me to do.
Next reason...
Because somebody
has to keep the light on. A look into money and
the penatgon, and the contractors, and the HMO's,
and prescription drug companies, and foreign
policy, whle keeping an ear to the direction of
the two monied candidates (as well as the failure
of directions of the two monied candidates),
forces me to remember the chart showing the sudden
and rapid acceleration in the rich/poor class
difference that started it's spike in 1986. I
believe until we stop "voting corporate" this
accelleration will of course continue. It means
that when people get hungry enough, they will put
the third party candidate in office and there will
be a fundamental shift of power. I don't know when
it will be. Somebody has to promote those who act
out the values of the common man to keep the dream
alive. IMHO.
And it all can be
accomplished by bitching now instead of later(:
There's a few other reasons I'm
sure, but those are pretty good for starters.
Return to "Slime oozing from your TV
set / Debate" thread:
http://www.zappa.com/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=general;action=display;num=1094577088
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Nader 1% or a snowball's
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on Sep 7th, 2004,
11:56pm, jimmie
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Also...
Now that's interesting with Bush and
Kerry sitting there both at 47.3 %. I wonder what
that means...does it mean that both candidates are
practically the same with nothing to differentiate
them attracting more voters to one or the other?
Hmmm, maybe it means ther is a sudden shift from
utter stupidity to sheer brilliance at the 47.3 %
mark in the American population...Hmmm..., no,
maybe it means that money has bought these two,
and only these two candidates supplying them with
a half a billion dollars worth of TV ads ...Yeah,
that's it...DEMOCRACY!
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Here's an interesting hypothetical:
Let us stipulate that the election
is a literal TIE, between Bush and Kerry, and you
are the LAST VOTER LEFT IN AMERICA who hasn't
voted yet. And you a staunch Nader supporter.
Who do you vote for?
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We had to use a, had to use a putty
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winduh. You couldn't even see out the winduh with
all them boogers, man. I'm not kiddin' you
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on Oct 23rd, 2004,
4:50pm, Ronnys
Noomies wrote:
Here's an
interesting hypothetical:
Let us
stipulate that the election is a literal TIE,
between Bush and Kerry, and you are the LAST
VOTER LEFT IN AMERICA who hasn't voted yet. And
you a staunch Nader supporter.
Who do you vote for?
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lol,
269 to 269 in electoraland, this one's goin' to
the House
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7:28pm, imisshimbad
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lol, 269 to 269
in electoraland, this one's goin' to the House
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Such is life, it ain't me voting the
wrong person. I can only vote for the right
person, if everyone else fucks up, it ain't my
doing.
I can't vote for either of
the the major candidates for the same reason...and
if they are equally bad on this reason, I don't
simply forget it, and move to the next issue. If
it were about any other issue I could do that, but
I feel Americans never should lower their
standards an vote for a war to take over a land
that never attacked us, (I saw the D's and R's
simply accept this war, I didn't see one ABB
Democrat question it, not one question...hmm, war
without question, not a bad deal for corporate).
We attacked them and the war is not about
liberation, it's about forcing a government on
them that 94% of them say is an occupation. If 94%
of americans didn't like another nation that
invaded and overthrew our government and installed
theirs and locked down our resources, and killed
our civilians by the hundreds, heck thousands,we'd
fight them, which is what is going on now. It's
not the Sunni fighting the Shia if you notice,
ithey now have a common enemy, the invading US.
Talk about how to unite a nation.
Just because the thousands of
casualties of innocent civilians, including women
and children are not allowed on or TV here doesn't
mean they're not the ones doing the bulk of the
dying.
No blood for oil under Bush,
and no blood for oil under Kerry. If they both
want blood for oil, we're not supposed to say "oh
ok, they're even there, forget about the killing
of the thousands of innocent then, next issue
please." The peace movement largely accounts the
lack of participation in peace activism to ABB
mind set which does just that. I posted a
Counterpunch article on just that...here's
another:
Progressives as Pawns: Cannon Fodder for
Kerry's War on Nader
http://www.pressaction.com/news/weblog/full_article/conn10132004/
"The progressives and peace activists who are
helping to stop Ralph Nader and Peter Miguel
Camejo don’t realize it but they are being used by
people who represent the corporate interests,
especially the military-industrial complex, of the
two major parties."
In other words, bend over.
and a different one fro
Counterpunch"
The Democratic Party: an Advanced
State of Decay
You Can't Blame Nader for
This
http://www.counterpunch.org/
I've been bitchin about this shit
since Kucinich got the hook causing Nader to enter
the race.
Don't blame me if the
Democrats nominated a loser, it ain't my goddam
party. I would have voted Kucinich, and most
likely even Dean to stop bush. An antiwar
candidate could have been a differentiator to
Bush, but why vote for another untestedwar
candidate when you got the real McCoy? I'm not
going to vote for war to stop war, there is just
as much blood on the Kerry handle as the Bush
handle in my book.
PS. I
just want to jump topics to a comment that was
made on Bosnia and Clinton. Although there were
probably about 60 or 70 UN resolutions on Bosnia,
the poster was correct to point out we went in not
as a result of a UN resolution...but...the poster
left out the fact that Clinton went in as a result
of a summit between the factions held in Dayton
Ohio. That's why we went in, and in Clinton's
efence, he was not trying to occupy as is the case
in Iraq, he was trying to put a damper on the
bloodshed.
It would also be a bit off base to
think the situation was like Iraq, a triad
situation yes, but that's where the similarity
ends, two different places.
couple
more toons:
I'll put a link to my
debate video under this one, you can see the
band's got two drummers these days:
http://znakomi.com/antiwar/bringthetroopshomenow_debate_video.htm
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