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Actually, I suppose you are right
MTF, that it's bullshit that there is "no"
anti-war movement in this country, there
were several hundred anti-war protesters
outside the DNC last week in Boston while Kerry
was speaking.
I would guess
that they'll be a much larger anti-Bush
demonstrators in NYC at the Republican convention.
I would guess that a lot of the
demonstrators will be Democrats who don't yet
understand the nature of the US/Iraqi government,
the occupation, or what it means when Kerry says
"I will fight a more effective, better war".
Several hundred folks in Boston do have that
understanding, and they came out to protest the
DNC. So there IS a small, but true anti-war camp
getting started. Will it be enough? Will it be in
time? Or will the war roll on undisturbed.
Heck, if enough of an ant-war movement get's
going, Kerry will have to change his stance, (if
he did, I would vote for him).
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Sorry MTF, i didn't consider your
question in that you didn't know me thirteen years
ago. In actuality, I was marching on washington as
early as ..was it 1970, or 1971. And as you can
see my my present persistance to fight against the
occupation and air this side of the issue in being
vocal on this board when so many are quiet, that
it is my nature to speak out. No, I have not
always every day spoken out, there have been
periods in my life where I was self centered and
not spoken out, and i have not always been right
either...but as you can see my nature is to speak
out, and here I am trying to get across the info I
find even at the expence of losing friends. This
is not me following a fad or a trend as you just
accused me of, because the fad or trends are to
vote Bush, or vote Kerry.
It now
distracts from the energy needed to bring up
Saddam as and argument for continuing the
occupation. Saddam is in the past. Iyad Allawi and
the present US picked, corporate/military friendly
occupation is the problem for today, not Saddam.
Would you explain to me why Kerry
will be able to force this occupation on them
where Bush can't? Kerry sais he will bring victory
in the war on terrorism, could you also explain to
me how he is going to do that?
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I think this whole have a war and get
sadam shit is ruidiculous. It suggests he is the
only dictator we have left and once he's dead that
will be the end. If you wanna take away all the
bad dictators you're gonna be having a fucking lot
of wars. Also the Iraq war has increased the risk
of terrorism and pissed alot of people off. It's
just fucking disgusting to me that you use this
argument now and no-one was called for this before
September 11. This war was the wrong fucking thing
to do even if you don't want to follow the
anti-war hippies that you are way cooler than for
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If somehow elected, "Kerry = Clinton,
part II" will be the result in a far more hopeless
nation and a far more hopeless world -- but
certainly preferable to the maniacs now in the
White House although still with very little hope.
Still, a new possibility
emerges:Kerry becomes a "centrist" in his campaign
for President hoping to sound like a non-mentally
impared George W. Bush. He does this to look more
"patriotic" and steal votes from Bush. That fast
becomes, "John Kerry '04 = Michael Dukakis '88"
and Kerry loses miserably because the Republican
incumbent wins since few are inspired to vote for
a "me-too-ist" sound-alike when they already have
the original thing. Distancing yourself from your
opponent gets you the votes, not sounding too much
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on Aug 8th, 2004,
8:38am, Batchain115
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If somehow elected,
"Kerry = Clinton, part II" will be the result in
a far more hopeless nation and a far more
hopeless world -- but certainly preferable to
the maniacs now in the White House although
still with very little hope.
Still, a new possibility
emerges:Kerry becomes a "centrist" in his
campaign for President hoping to sound like a
non-mentally impared George W. Bush. He does
this to look more "patriotic" and steal votes
from Bush. That fast becomes, "John Kerry '04 =
Michael Dukakis '88" and Kerry loses miserably
because the Republican incumbent wins since few
are inspired to vote for a "me-too-ist"
sound-alike when they already have the original
thing. Distancing yourself from your opponent
gets you the votes, not sounding too much like
him.
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It's
already happening but in reverse of what you've
written. Bush is flip-floppin' like crazy, thereby
diminishing the number of issues, which divide
their parties. It's another Carl Rove charade.
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Nader 2004 Impact Map
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Published on Wednesday, August
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Gee, seein everyone's so worried that
Nader is going to stop Kerry from stopping bush,
maybe everyone ought to stop this "tactical"
voting and vote for the best man, the 40 year
defender of citizens, the one who is NOT on the
corporate take, and the one who will immediatly
end the oil grab in Iraq and Arab base push which
is causing a huge multiplication in terrorism,
unless of course we LIKE this increase in
terrorism). A lot of innocent people are dying
today, and will continue to die tomorrow and the
next day if corporate-dee OR corporAate-dum gets
in.
It's a real shame that
corporate has bought both parties to screw people
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HERE'S some good news the first
victory in proving that the Republican-Democrat
"debates" (and I use the term loosely because it's
all pre written), is a sham.
The very well
backed opendebates.org already has 5 or 6 debates
scheduled, it will be a good and fair and quick
way to get some REAL debates should the
Republican-Democrat PDC prestaged debates get
trashed.
Timing is everything, they
may not rule until it's too late for this
election, but Ralph's work to break the PDC debate
sham will be in time for 2008. If it is in time
for 04, it's likely Ralph will be on stage wihth
Bush and Kerry. The only people who are happy
about this ayt the moment are the ones who don't
do tactical voting from fear. On the long shot
that they DO rule in time and Nader gets to expose
Bush anbd Kerry, lets hope people drop their fears
and vote for the man who will represent the
PEOPLE, not the CORPORATIONS.
We
need to become the extermely rich and beautiful
country we can be instead of this god damn world
leader in weapons sales and world leader in
violence by a factor of 10x in military spending.
400 BILLION PLUS in a yearly military taxation
budget while we can't even get medical at
home...what the fuck is that!
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Commission on Presidential Debates (CPD) is a
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“This decision is the first step
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evidence that the Commission on Presidential
Debates is a partisan organization,” said Nader.
“How can a partisan organization sponsor impartial
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determine who should be allowed to participate?
They can’t. And, they shouldn’t. The CPD should be
prevented from sponsoring these debates under
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Kennedy, Jr. ruled that a dismissal of a complaint
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non-partisan. He sent the case back to the FEC,
ordering the FEC to remedy the situation.
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evidence does not justify the FEC’s dismissal of
the plaintiffs' complaint of CPD partisanship, the
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CPD was founded by the two
major parties
CPD has been co-chaired by
the two former DNC and RNC chairmen since its
founding in 1987
Nine of eleven CPD
directors are prominent Republicans and Democrats
No third-party member is a CPD director
CPD’s current conduct shows it to be a
partisan organization (PDF of Decision)
The court found persuasive that CPD
decided to exclude all third-party candidates from
entering the 2000 presidential debates (even as
ticket-holding audience members), absent any
evidence that the third-party candidates would
cause disruption. The CPD used a facebook of all
third-party candidates to instruct security to bar
their entry into the debates.
Nader noted: “There is a new
presidential debate commission, the Citizens’
Debate Commission, which is clearly non-partisan.
It should be responsible for this fall’s debates,
so that the corporate political duopoly does not
control the information highway to tens of
millions of Americans. With a prestigious board of
directors from across the political spectrum, the
Citizens' Debate Commission is clearly
non-partisan, free from the the control of any
candidate or any party. The FEC and the media
should work with the Citizens’ Debate Commission
in planning the 2004 presidential debates.”
Polls have consistently shown that
voters want more voices and choices in the
debates. Among other similar polls, a FOX News
poll showed that, in 2000, 64% of the public
wanted Ralph Nader and Patrick Buchanan included
in the debates.
“The media, and
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sponsor these debates. Otherwise, the networks
will be producing ever-lower ratings while
relaying parallel interviews, passed off as
debates, by a very partisan and exclusionary CPD,”
said Nader.
The case was Hagelin et
al v. the Federal Election Commission, Civ. Act.
No. 0400731 (August 12, 2004). The Citizens’
Debate Commission is at www.opendebates.org.
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Right now as I write this the battle
is raging in Iraq. Religious Shia leader Muqtada
al-Sadr who is wildly popular with the downtrodden
people of Iraq, has vowed to fight to the death,
to martydom. And when we kill him, we'll create
thousands more.
Kerry says he can
"fight a better war", but I have not heard word
one from him about rejecting Bush's occupation, in
fact he intends to push bush's occupation
intact...but push it "better".
The
US government of the Iraqi occupation, (presided
over by the British citizen/CIA agent/serial
murderer and now Iraqi Prime minister) has BANNED
Al-Jazzerra news from the country in the hopes of
quelling the fighting. IMHO the thought is to cut
off the citizenship from news so the people won't
know the solidarity they have. What the Iraqi
people see is the US occupation cutting off their
news now in addition to the bombs that are still
falling. We are not going to bomb them all into
submission.
If we kill al-Sadr, then
I wouldn't want to be a US soldier in Iraq. I
wouldn't want to be one there yesterday, but after
killing the popular Shia leader, bullets are gonna
be coming out of the woodwork.
We
need to get our troops out of there now, we need
to bring them home. We need to get them out of
Bush's mess, it's all wrong.
Nader
will immediatly pull the three things that are a
major cause of the escalating violence, he will
pull the three things that BOTH Bush and Kerry
intend push onward into worse violence.
Nader will pull corporate, the CIA
"US friendly" government, and the military. This
will cause the Iraqi people to distance themselves
from the resistance because they will be getting
their country back. Don't take my word for it,
it's what the international commutity says, go to
cfr.org and see what the Council on Foreign
Relations says about it.
Here is a
link to a good place to start to find out what is
happening today:
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/79C12B2E-F362-48D1-A39A-98A34B03946E.htm
Here is a link to the article about
the police closing down the news in the new Iraqi
news ban, democracy, US style:
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/27A64DA6-E89F-4CD9-9370-0B224A801E89.htm
The Iraqi people lived under Saddam
who we made strong, then they survived the
destruction of their infrastructure and then 12
years of starvation in the seige. Now the bombs
that the american citizens paid through the nose
for are falling again on the iraqi citizens.
Bush is unacceptable because he will
continue the killing.
Kerry is
unacceptable because he will continue the killing.
And that's the way it is right now
in plain english. Our soldiers need a break and
the Iraqi people need a break. We don't need a US
stronghold in the Arab world that bad.
Nader will end the violence, and the
Council on Foreign Relations say his is the only
way.
We need to get our shit
together and create a REAL anti war movement to
stop the killing.
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I was in Times Square the other
night, and my daughter snapped this photo of this
HUGE sign. I wonder if the Bush
and Kerry voters understand the meaning of this
sign because Bush started this war, and
Kerry is going to attempt to drive it home,
("I can fight a better war"). (BOTH kerry and Bush
will fail because this is violence).
and then I saw us killing
our way to peace in this article this morning:
US warplanes pound
Najaf
"Explosions have rocked
the old section of Najaf as US AC-130 warplanes
have struck at al-Mahdi Army defences, witnesses
in the city say.
There were no
immediate figures on casualties in the attack
early on Sunday morning".
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/9770C006-0066-440B-BB61-697E7BD357F2.htm
We went to see Yes last night (great
show the boys were really on), and Jon
Anderson made a comment (more of a plea), that the
way to peace is not through these politicians, but
through the minds of the people...collectively. In
that 95% of Americans are voting for more war, and
only 5% are voting for peace. I see his point.
Peace won't come until most of the
people become willing to stand up for it,
and concenttrate on it. Is there anyone
here who will stand up for peace?
In that Nader will immediatly pull
corporate, the puppet government, and the US
forces, and Kerry and Bush will BOTH continue the
takeover through violence, I would like to ask any
Kerry voters here if they would stand up and
explain how their candidate will kill his way
to peace.
Also, from our "friends"
in Egypt:
A leading Egyptian
Islamic leader has warned that a "volcano of
anger" could explode in response to US-led
military action in Najaf and Falluja.
"After the attack on the shrines of
the Prophet's noble companions, after the
humiliations and the terrorizing and
killing of civilians, the world cannot expect…
that a volcano of anger and indignation will not
explode," Gumaa said"
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/AA843409-E1C1-47F9-9717-DF04DA8BC53A.htm
and from our "friends" in Pakistan:
Pakistan, Malaysia blast US on
Najaf
Protesters in Pakistan have
demonstrated against the bombardment in Najaf,
saying the US and its allies seek control of Iraqi
resources, while Malaysia has called for attacks
on the city to stop.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/5F69007F-7FF8-48FE-AA60-61607AEBE88C.htm
Iraq's interim defence
minister has warned fighters besieged in Najaf's
Imam Ali shrine to surrender or face an attack
later on Tuesday that would "wipe them out".
To the death
"They [US forces] will not enter
Najaf until we are all dead," al-Qadhimy told
Aljazeera.
He also said "those
collaborators with the US forces will sooner or
later be heavily punished by the Iraqi people and
al-Sadr's movement".
"We still
welcome any peaceful initiative"
Raid al-Qadhimy,
al-Sadr
spokesman in Baghdad
"The whole
world has witnessed al-Sadr welcoming any peaceful
initiative," al-Qadhimy continued.
"But those crooked members of
the government, who are collaborating with the US
occupation forces, do not want any peace. They are
slaves for the occupation forces
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/3EB322D6-588E-406B-B3C1-B80A9CB9B39D.htm
A witness told
Aljazeera that there were intense explosions in
Sadr City late on Monday night.
The impoverished slum area is
known for its strong ties to Shia leader Muqtada
al-Sadr.
Overwhelming
firepower
The attacks mark the
third consecutive night US occupation forces have
resorted to the overwhelming firepower of the
AC-130 aircraft.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/010D6BE3-99A9-47AC-8D97-C35D20417B45.htm
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My only comment for peace....remember
this stuff well Kerry and Bush voters, remember
what you voted for after the elections.
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