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That one is from Javad Alizadeh in
Iran, and I take it to mean that the vision of
peace has died in America, and it was killed by
Americans themselves.
I think
this because the Statue of liberty is a very
common stereotype in foreign political cartoons,
you see it all the time, and because Lennon would
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You outdid yourself, Imisshimbad ! It
must have taken you a lot of time and research.
Some are downright funny, some are
downright tragic...
It's interesting
to actually see how the rest of the world (the
"free" world I should say) perceive what's goin'
on. I dug the "Why do they hate us" one the most.
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Hi Mij, glad you found them
interesting, it didn't take too long, (through the
wonders of modern technology, lol). It's
interesting to notice where the cartoons came
from, of the 104 cartoons, only 3 or 4 were from
the USA. I think people in other parts of the
world have an easier job if they want to find out
what's going on in the world as here in the US we
get a seemingly complete story (although 10,000+
innocent have died in Iraq, and we didn't see any
killing or maiming on TV here inside America, it
has been "bloodless" on TV to us), so it's all too
easy to think one knows what's happening without
checking any external sources.
Although I
liked the "Titanic" one from Japan, my favorite
one was this one, so true:
this one on US media get's honorable
mention too...
Interesting, in the above, it shows
an adjustment Americans have to make when viewing
foreign cartoons. In the above it shows the
Jewisn, or Zionist hammering the shit out of the
world while the media looks the other way. To
Americans, we don't use a religious connection to
show this, we think of the "rich 1%" who control's
40% of the country..or more accuratly, the 1/10th
of the top 1% who gives 80% of the money that the
Democrat's and Republicans recieve. It's about the
rich to me, and that can cross religions, a
"catholic" asshole to me is just as bad as a
jewish asshole. (It's interesting to me too to see
all the cars in the church parking lots*, people
who say they follow christian teachings..then 94 %
of them go out and vote for war presidents). Here
we're starting to hear about 900 US troops killed
because it's approaching 1000...but we rarely hear
about 10,000 civilians killed in Iraq (http://www.iraqbodycount.net/bodycount.htm).
In my view, after November 3rd, if
either Bush or Kerry get's in, we won't be able to
blame our leaders for the killing and suffering
anymore, the blame will rest squarely on the
American people for voting the money in. Both
Kerry and Bush make public their intentions to
"stay the course" in Iraq, and we know what that
means.
* Oh, wait a
minute, I get it... The PATRIOT Act must have
gotten rid of the "Thou shalt not kill"
commandment too. Now we can go to church on
Sunday, and vote for killing on Tuesday. We're
covered(:
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Hi Mij,
No, I hadn't seen that
Degalo story untill you mentioned it. I guess the
Times found it in a small paper and got the
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Delgado Makes a Stand by Taking a Seat
By
WILLIAM C. RHODEN
Published: July
21, 2004
AKLAND, Calif.
BEGINNING tonight, the Yankees will
see a lot of the Toronto Blue Jays. The two teams
will play 19 times in the final three months of
the season. The Yankees will also see a lot of the
Blue Jays slugger Carlos Delgado; they just won't
see him in the middle of the seventh inning.
Though Delgado is having an
off year, he remains one of the most respected
players in Major League Baseball. Last March when
the United States invaded Iraq, Delgado, in his
own quiet way, said that for him, enough was
enough. He had stood for "God Bless America"
through the 2003 season but vowed not to do so
this season. In an act of a simple, mostly
unnoticed, protest against the war, Delgado, a
32-year-old first baseman, has chosen to remain in
the dugout while "God Bless America" is played.
I'm curious to see the reaction to
Delgado at Yankee Stadium, which George
Steinbrenner has turned into a paean to
patriotism. Some teams, including Toronto, have
stopped playing "God Bless America," which was
inserted into games after the attacks of Sept. 11.
Most teams now play the song only on weekends or
holidays.
The Yankees play it
during the seventh-inning stretch at every home
game. That includes tonight, when they begin a
two-game series with Toronto. Delgado will
probably not be standing on the field.
"I'm not trying to get
anyone mad," he said Monday in Oakland, where
the Blue Jays were playing the Athletics. "This
is my personal feeling. I don't want to draw
attention to myself or go out of my way to
protest. If I make the last out of the seventh
inning, I'll stand there. But I'd rather be in the
dugout."
Good for him. In the
world of mainstream professional sports, where
cookie-cutter athletes rarely take a stand on any
issue, let alone one as highly charged as a war,
Delgado is a rarity. He is unafraid to question a
ritual that he does not agree with. Delgado's
protest this season has been so quiet, so subtle
that Bud Selig, the baseball commissioner, didn't
know about it until I called him to talk about it
on Monday.
"When you called me
today you actually startled me," he said from
his office in Milwaukee. Selig later read a
statement that he had prepared on Delgado's
action.
"I'm in the process
of getting more information, but eventually I
would like to sit down and discuss it with
Carlos," Selig said. "I am very sensitive
to this kind of issue, both as a matter of respect
for our country and for one's right to express his
opinion."
I'll be watching to
see how Selig handles this.
It was
Selig, in the aftermath of Sept. 11, who ordered
all teams to play "God Bless America," injecting a
political statement into the games.
"I don't honestly think that
politicizes the issue," Selig said, calling
the playing of the anthem a matter of respect.
"After all, we do have troops in Iraq and
Afghanistan."
With all due
respect to Selig, once "God Bless America" became
a political statement, a player like Delgado
became free to express his own political views.
His well-thought-out
opposition to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan is
just one part of a larger issue for him. Delgado,
a native of Puerto Rico, sees his protest as
consistent with his earlier opposition to the
Navy's use of the Puerto Rican island of Vieques
as a weapons testing ground. In many ways, the
United States military waged a form of war for 60
years on the tiny island, using a 900-acre site
for bombing exercises.
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Delgado, who grew up
on the mainland, remembers older residents telling
stories about bomb explosions.
"They lived in that target
practice area for 60 years," he said. "They
tell you stories of how, in the middle the night,
a bomb blew up. I never experienced it, but I can
imagine it. I can see why you might be a little
hostile from time to time. "
Delgado, who was signed by Toronto
when he was 16, spent two years involved in the
movement to force the Navy to stop using Vieques
as a testing site. The military ended the
exercises on May 1, 2003. Now, Delgado and others
want the United States government to help clean up
the economic, psychological and health messes it
left behind. He has contributed hundreds of
thousands of dollars toward that effort and
solicited other Puerto Rican celebrities to join
the campaign against the aftereffects.
"It's still in the
environment, it's still in the ground, it's still
in the water." he said. "That's why we've
got the highest cancer rate of any place in Puerto
Rico."
Delgado doesn't feel the
troops should be in Iraq, much as he felt the
United States should not have been in Vieques. He
won't stand in support of movements he does not
believe in.
Delgado's decision to
ignore "God Bless America" has the support of the
Toronto organization, even after he said last week
that he would not agree to a trade in this, the
final year of his contract. Paul Godfrey, the
team's president and chief executive, supports
Delgado even though he disagrees with his antiwar
position. Godfrey criticized the Canadian
government for not sending troops to Iraq and was
the force behind the team's decision in 2003 to
play "God Bless America'' at the Skydome, which
the team has now stopped.
"I have
no problem with what Carlos did," he said in a
telephone interview from Toronto. "Carlos
didn't hold a placard and stop traffic. He didn't
impede the game because he's not that kind of guy.
He's been total class in the community almost from
the day he arrived."
Even Blue
Jays catcher Gregg Zaun, who strongly supports the
war effort (he vowed never to buy another record
by the Dixie Chicks after they criticized
President Bush), supports Delgado.
"He's a pretty quiet guy and it's
been quiet," Zaun said. Delgado has never
raised the issue with teammates, Zaun said.
"He has his opinion and he's
decided to use that as his platform," Zaun
said. "Whether or not I agree with him, I
salute him."
Even as he talked
about his silent protest this week, Delgado
emphasized that he didn't want the demonstration
to become a distraction. At the same time, Delgado
said he was not backing down from any criticism
that comes his way.
"It
takes a man to stand up for what he believes,"
Delgado said Monday. "Especially in a
society where everything is supposed to be
politically correct."
"I am
not pro-war; I'm antiwar," he said. "I'm
for peace."
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Thanks go out to oOOo for finding
this. I just wanted a link to it in this thread:
Analysis: President Kerry on Israel
by Gadi Dechter
WASHINGTON -- A leaked draft of the
Democratic Party platform and recent statements by
John Kerry suggest that a Democratic White House
would continue the Bush administration's
enthusiastic support for Israeli Prime Minister
Ariel Sharon.
(...lol, oops, another
flip-flop here, now that the nomination is in his
pocket...)
"I know how disheartened
Palestinians are by the Israeli government's
decision to build a barrier off the 'Green Line,'
cutting deeply into Palestinian areas," Kerry told
members of the Arab-American Institute in October
2003, a month after he had announced his
candidacy. "We do not need another barrier to
peace." He went on to say that the barrier was a
"provocative and counterproductive measure" that
was not in Israel's interest.
(and
now for the flip-flop)
Assured of the
nomination, Kerry appears to have reversed his
position on the West Bank barrier, which was ruled
illegal Friday by the International Court of
Justice. "John Kerry supports the construction of
Israel's security fence to stop terrorists from
entering Israel," the June statement reads.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0710-03.htm
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Nader
Campaign Again Fails To get Candidate On
Ballot
A second
convention falls short of the needed supporters,
so a petition drive is planned.
Friday, July 23, 2004
JEFF MAPES for
The Oregonian
With a bitter
blast at the Democratic Party, Ralph Nader's
organizers in Oregon acknowledged Thursday that
their recent convention failed to attract enough
supporters to put their candidate on the state
presidential ballot.
Instead,
Portland attorney Greg Kafoury said, the Nader
campaign has now hired paid canvassers to conduct
a petition drive that has about a month to collect
15,306 signatures from registered voters.
Kafoury and his law partner,
Mark McDougal, charged that the Oregon Democratic
Party was engaged in "dirty tricks" and had
"sabotaged" the Nader campaign's effort to qualify
for the ballot at a convention held June 26 at
Portland's Benson High School.
State Democratic Chairman Jim
Edmunson denied the charges and said he thought
Nader's real problem was a drop in support for
him.
"The bulk of voters
realize this election is too important to waste a
vote on Ralph Nader," Edmunson said.
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State Democratic Chairman Jim
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Oregon
was interesting, more in a moment, but first I
just want to point out that the State Democrat Chairman Edmonson
didn't waste the opportunity to get in a
couple of attacks with his comments in the post
above. As with other negative remarks that have
been posted in this thread, it's important to
consider who is
saying it.
Also note the second
comment above is a plea to vote for Kerry even if
you don't like him because of fear of Bush. The
truth is, this election is too important to waste
another vote for corporate control of government
and war.
But back an interesting
story in Oregon...
With Ralph collecting
hundreds of thousands of signatures in all the
states on a shoe-string budget (he has a million,
D's and R's are going for 1.4 billion), he sought
a fast method to get on the ballot in Oregon.
Oregon law normally needs 15,000 signatures UNLESS
a candade can get 1000 people to sign in one
place at one time.
Because Ralph
doesn't have big corporate money as a resource,
Ralph went for the cheaper way, to get 1000
signatures in one place at one time, (it's cheaper
than having to put people on the street for 15,000
signatures and incurr all their travel /
organization expenses as he does in other states,
(Texas was a bitch, but he got 80,000 signatures
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But in Oregon (see the
post above), Democrats had an idea to block
voter's choice for peace in the 2004 elections.
They had the idea to fill the ballot petition hall
with Democrats so they'd have to close the doors,
(oregon law). Then have these Democrats refuse to
sign the ballot petition. All they had to do was
get there first. Which is what they did, here is a
portion of the email that went out to all the
Oregon Democrats:
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"We need as many Oregon
Democrats as possible to fill that room and to NOT
sign that petition.The rules state that once 1000
fill into the room, as certified by state election
department officials, the doors close and those in
the room sign the petition. If we attend in large
numbers and politely refuse to sign, Nader is
denied his needed numbers. Its that simple.
Please make every attempt to
attend this important event. We need your help to
make sure that Nader does not accomplish this.
We ask that you get there by
4:30 to make sure we have our numbers".
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Unbeknown to Ralph, he hall was full of
Democrats. This was to be Ralphs way to get on the
ballot in Oregon, and with not enough time to
reorganize and collect the 15,000 needed, he had
to give up on Oregon.
The above
Oregon Democrat scam reminds me of folks who try
to merge into the 65 mph interstate highway at 35
mph. They're going to get themselves, and everyone
around them killed, but damn if they don't know
they're doing it right.
Notes on
this and other things the Democrats are up to in
the link below. In Illinois they're in the heat
for illegally using State employees to check
signatures, and in Nevada they have 5 law firms
trying to eliminate signatures. The latter is
legal, but aren't they really trying to take
choices away from people who might disagree with
them? Especally unbecoming because the choice they
are removing from their neighbors is the only
candidate who will imediatly pull corporate, and
the puppet government from Iraq.
http://www.accuracy.org/new.htm
The good news is that Ralph is
successful in many states.
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Do I expect Ralph will win? I had
hoped voters would get an anti war rally going,
(we used to do this in the old days), then Kerry
would have had to change is war stance, or Nader
would have had a chance to win. The anti war
people could have given just enough support to get
Ralph into the debates, and then anything could
have happened. But all the folks who went against
Bush because they were against war, have now
become accepting of war. I don't see any uprising
against the war anymore.
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From the Wall Street Journal:
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/jul2004/kerr-j17.shtml
Democratic candidate Kerry vows
to maintain US troops in Iraq for years.
By Patrick Martin
17 July 2004
"Kerry is reassuring
the US ruling elite, including the far-right
elements who now back Bush, that he can be trusted
to carry forward the US conquest and occupation of
Iraq.
...
The main difference
between Kerry and Bush on Iraq boils down to
Bush’s continued, albeit cynical and false, claim
that the US mission in Iraq is to bring “freedom”
and “democracy,” words that were nearly absent in
Kerry’s discussion with the Wall Street Journal
...
Kerry represents that section of
the US ruling elite that wants to set aside Bush’s
doubletalk about democratization. This was
necessary for gulling the American people during
the run-up to the war, they concede, but now it is
time to get on with their real business, by
establishing the security conditions in which
American capital can extract profits from Iraq’s
huge oil reserves and from lucrative contracts
with the US-controlled puppet regime in Baghdad."
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From the Boston Herald
http://news.bostonherald.com/national/view.bg?articleid=29817&format=
Kerry: 40,000 more troops key to
U.S. global mission.
by Noelle Straub
Saturday, May
29, 2004
WASHINGTON - Senator
Kerry yesterday called for boosting the size of
the U.S. military by 40,000 troops for the rest of
the decade to ease the burden on the National
Guard and Reserve, which have been heavily
deployed to.
...
But the Bush
campaign fired back, noting that Defense Secretary
Donald Rumsfeld authorized the Army in January to
increase its size by 30,000 troops.
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Also, from Bloombergs...
Kerry Calls for More Troops in
Iraq, Bolstering U.S. Military
-- Democratic presidential
candidate John Kerry called for 40,000 more U.S.
troops in Iraq--
"Kerry has to be
careful in the campaign not to be perceived as too
eager to change the course of U.S. policy toward
Iraq.''
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I've seen it here and
there that most Democrat voters are actually
against the war, understand about corporate
involvement there, and understand how we are a
magnet for violence there, but still, making this
violent takeover stick seems to be OK with them,
as long as they defeat Bush.
We do
indeed live in strange times.
In my
life, I can do my part for our brothers and
sisters who are suffering right now in this moment
although we don't see it on CNN. And I can try to
persuade my American friends to stick up for them
too. That's all a person can do, and it's
important to recognize that too.
So,
it's time for a bike ride.
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with not enough time to reorganize and collect
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If
Team Nader got outfoxed by a handful of Dems,
howz he gonna deal with the Real Bad Guys?
...and you want to be my latex
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This is the guy you will give your
vote to, and who you want me to vote for. This
will cause a lot more suffering, could you tell us
how it will help to escalate the violence?
I
mean specifically why do you back this policy, and
how you justify the killing it will cause?
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From the Wall Street Journal:
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/jul2004/kerr-j17.shtml
Democratic candidate Kerry vows
to maintain US troops in Iraq for years.
By Patrick Martin
17 July 2004
"Kerry is reassuring
the US ruling elite, including the far-right
elements who now back Bush, that he can be trusted
to carry forward the US conquest and occupation of
Iraq.
...
The main difference
between Kerry and Bush on Iraq boils down to
Bush’s continued, albeit cynical and false, claim
that the US mission in Iraq is to bring “freedom”
and “democracy,” words that were nearly absent in
Kerry’s discussion with the Wall Street Journal
...
Kerry represents that section of
the US ruling elite that wants to set aside Bush’s
doubletalk about democratization. This was
necessary for gulling the American people during
the run-up to the war, they concede, but now it is
time to get on with their real business, by
establishing the security conditions in which
American capital can extract profits from Iraq’s
huge oil reserves and from lucrative contracts
with the US-controlled puppet regime in Baghdad."
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From the Boston Herald
http://news.bostonherald.com/national/view.bg?articleid=29817&format=
Kerry: 40,000 more troops key to
U.S. global mission.
by Noelle Straub
Saturday, May
29, 2004
WASHINGTON - Senator
Kerry yesterday called for boosting the size of
the U.S. military by 40,000 troops for the rest of
the decade to ease the burden on the National
Guard and Reserve, which have been heavily
deployed to.
...
But the Bush
campaign fired back, noting that Defense Secretary
Donald Rumsfeld authorized the Army in January to
increase its size by 30,000 troops.
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Also, from Bloombergs...
Kerry Calls for More Troops in
Iraq, Bolstering U.S. Military
-- Democratic presidential
candidate John Kerry called for 40,000 more U.S.
troops in Iraq--
"Kerry has to be
careful in the campaign not to be perceived as too
eager to change the course of U.S. policy toward
Iraq.''
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How can Nader know
everyone in Oregon,
and
how do you justify Kerry's
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I can, but I won't. Besides, it seems to me that
you've inferred that I've taken a previous
position regarding Kerry and the war, which I
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Re:
URGENT: STOP RALPH NADAR!!
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