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Hell, I'll even kill all the
Palestineans if that's a good thing. Both Bush and
Kerry back Israel in that endeavor. i can't tell
if it's a good thing or not, cuz Bush is bad and
Kerry is good...but they both back Israel...what's
a voter to do, how can we decide, Bush or Kerry,
Kerry or Bush, so hard to decide...Coke or Pepsi,
Pepsi or Coke, an Infinity or an Escalade...what's
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Nobody wants to vote from fear, but
it's the unfortunate fact-of-life at this
time. I'd suggest that voting to send a
message but waste a vote is significantly
dangerous at this time. I can't speak for
others, but I don't think there's anything
"golden" about Kerry. His party, while enormously
flawed, is significantly less dangerous than the
president's party. He is not just another Bush in
disguise, as you seem to suggest, although I
completely agree that both major parties are
beholden to corporate interests. But I don't
believe that's a battle we can take on now,
with the world/nation being ripped to shreds by
the idiot Republicans. I do vote from fear, yes I
do. I also choose not to waste my vote for someone
who cannot win the election, or even compete,
except as a spoiler. If Nader could win, I'd
support him. But, let's not kid ourselves. He's a
severely limited candidate, with virtually no
underlying structure to get things done, and his
ego is a major impediment to his effectiveness.
This is a guy who has done NOTHING since the last
election to make himself anything but a spoiler.
He's not built a base of popular favor. He's not
worked for voters. He's not been a voice in our
political culture. He's done nothing but sit on
his ass. And then, he pops up again and says he's
the guy who can make it all happen, JUST because
he's got this one redeeming quality of not being
beholden to corporate entities going for him?
That's a very good thing. But it just ain't
enough, and he doesn't seem to care about that.
Sadly, I do think we may be in for 4
more Bush years, if only because Kerry and the
democrats are so lame, so far.
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10:43pm, Ronnys
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Hi
Ronnie,
I appreciate your post, and your
position.
First, on your comments on
Nader’s activity level since 2000, I beg to
differ, but later. For now I'll just say that I
saw an article on just that, how much Nader has
done since 2000, something like 280 lectures,
(good way to meet voters and spread activism), in
2002 he wrote the Nat'l Bestseller on political
corruption "Crashing the Party". Nader has also
been involved in the founding levels of more than
100 citizen activist groups since 2000. So that’s
the short answer to your comment, has done a lot
since 2000, The Boston Globe recently commented on
Ralph: "America's most valuable and uncorrupted
public citizen". I say, who better to have for
president, especially at this critical
time, (not many terms left before baby boomer
retirement, we must fix it now, (instead of
invasions, corporate pork, and star wars).
Respectfully Ronnie, if your
comment: " He's not built a base of popular favor.
He's not worked with the voters". Was not
referring to the working with voters and activist
groups as above, but you meant strictly the
ability to generate votes, well I'd say this: it
is not Ralph who has failed us, it is us who has
failed him. If by "working with the voters" you
mean the ability to generate votes, well, Nader
would have to be the top money generator in either
the Democratic or Repuplican party to do that
because that’s where the votes automatically
gather. That’s where we fail him because we only
vote for money, for the most TV ad’s. There will
likely be in excess of a HALF A BILLION DOLLARS in
TV ad’s this year between the D’s and the R’s to
buy all our votes. That’s reality. Ralph can't be
a top money generator in either party because he
can't take corporate money. Perhaps it is a
challange because Nader will have to win on
merit alone, by word of mouth, not by the most TV
ad's. But in truth, who pays for the ad’s? We do
in corporate sales. We give the money to the
companies that then give it to both the D’s and
R’s, so no matter which one wins, they are both
bought…we pay for it, and we get squat.
The whole thing works because many
are not strong enough to vote for someone on merit
alone, or just as importantly, dismiss others
based on looking past the TV ad’s and into their
past voting and performance records instead. If
we’re uninformed voters following the money like
sheep, we’re going to pay the price, obviously.
We've largely failed Ralph because he is the good
man, against two corporate debtors, and he’s he's
not getting our support. The half billion dollars
in corporate paid TV ad’s are what we vote for.
We have to do things different this
time, we have to tbe vocal and have courage
instead of fear. We have to get the ball rolling
early to raise percentages towards Ralph, so the
fearful will also see and be not afraid. We have
to openly and vocally support Nader, or we’re
going to get “corporate-dee or corporate-dum”.
You’re right Ronnie, this is a very
critical time, some might say our last chance.
There are not many terms left before baby boomer
retirement. We’re not going to be able to fix it
in a couple more terms because we’ll be retiring.
We’ll just have debted our kids and have to start
living off them. We’ll be on HMO’s with reduced SS
and no prescriptions beyond $110/month.
It’s a critical time for the world
too. Things are on the brink of disaster, and we
just keep pushing “American Interests”.
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Also, I don’t make Kerry out to be a
Bush in disguise, Bush is more aggressive, that is
the difference.I have shown a host of key
similarities in the top most critical areas
though. It matters little the agressiveness
difference because Kerry is for the things that
Bush for, (voting pro-invasion, wanting to throw
40,000 more troops in the violence hole, Kerry’s
10 year occupation plan, the 14 military base
foothold, the rotten Israel backing turning a
blind eye towards the Palestineans. These things
push “American Interests” abroad, which is a nice
way to say “fire on the terrorist flame”.
At home, Kerry is very similar too,
voting to scratch off a bunch of “We hold these
truths to be self evident” rights off the 200 year
old foundation of freedom. The responsibility dump
of “no child left behind”, (unless you don’t live
in a rich area), and the rediculously pork
fattemed 400 Billion /year+
corporate-congressional military budget, while
Nader emplores Kerry to take the first baby steps
towards curbing corporate welfare.
The point is, the world doesn’t get
“reset to peace” on November 2nd if Kerry wins, we
start at the brink of disaster at home, and the
brink of disaster abroad, Kerry can just send in
the 40,000 and just keep on pushing the envelope
from there. In more than a few ways he has
already told us up front he is going to do just
that. And us sukkers ain’t getting nothin.
It doesn't matter that Kerry's not
as aggressive as Bush, we already live in foreign,
and a homeland crisis. Nader is the one who will
pull the Hallburton contracts and the troops
rapidly, not send more. That will go miles in the
right direction. it demonstrates a 180 degree
turnaround in "American Interests". And that's
what we need. With Kerry or Bush, it's permanent
war. He doesn’t have to be as aggressive as Bush,
he can just keep throwing gas the fire from here.
So, how much further can we afford
to push “American Interests” (corporate policy),
abroad, and how much more can we afford to lose at
home while we pay for these global endeavors? How
much worse is it OK to let things get?
All because we have the inability to
be informed and vocal voters, we can only vote for
the half billion in TV ad’s, anyone else hasn’t
“worked with the voters enough”. It’s all in your
words I quoted from you above, and in your
admitted vote from fear.
Believe me
Ronnie, I know your intentions are good. I just
feel that if either Kerry or Bush gets in, it’s
all over. It will be too late to recover at home
later, and the violence will spiral from abroad.
It’s the only way it can be when we keep pushing
for the money guys.
We can’t afford
it anymore, neither here nor abroad. We cannot
allow things to get worse from here, we have to
start going the other way now, seizing control
from the money, and starting to use out very
plentiful resources to save ourselves and the
ship. And we have PLENTY of resources to do that
if we divert our resources away from corporate
“American Interests”. We can be such a beautiful
country if we stop pulling the last of the money
from urgent civil needs to instead throw hundreds
and hundreds and hundreds of billions into weapons
and corporate pork.
If we don’t
start controlling our government, we deserve what
we get.
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on Jun 5th, 2004,
10:43pm, Ronnys
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Sadly, I do
think we may be in for 4 more Bush years, if
only because Kerry and the democrats are so
lame, so far.
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You
may be right about that Ronnie, Kucinich is the
winner. Kerry is not differentiated enough from
Bush, but he brings in the money as Kucinich
can't.
All the more reason to get vocal early
and try to get something started in this country.
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We're not alone though Ronnie. You
never can tell what will happen in this country.
Especially the finger of political fortune can be
fickle. Dean was on top, but look how fast he went
down. Voters really can change who they vote for,
massivly, and quickly. Maybe it's too much of a
challange for voters to decide on merit instead of
on TV ad's and fear, but maybe not. I think there
may be a fair number of people who are silently
watching what's going on. And once it's "okay" to
talk about Nader, people may quickly start talking
about him. Personally, I think it just needs a
push to get started. I think it can happen within
a month if it reaches a smaller critical mass in
the beginning, (this is why we must talk to our
neighbors now, not later).
But check
this out, we may have gotten a nice boost towards
that critical mass, one of those fickle finger of
fate things:
I heard this on FOX
news on a special 10 minute segment.
(A
comment first: For folks who may not know, the
League of Women voters controlled the presidential
debates for years, and 5% was the entrance
thresholt. They did a fine job until in the late
80's the D'sa and R's got together and formrd the
PDC, Presidential Debate Commission. With their
clout , they seized production of the debates and
massivly changed the rules to (guess what),
greatly favor only the D's and R's, (because the
PDC is only D's & R's). Favoring moderators
are scripted, difficult questions are elimanated,
candidates can't directly adress each other and
debate in an unscripted fashion...and so on).
Well, the PDC has got a challenger
this year, and they are primarily interested in
returning to informative debates. It's also likely
that the entrance threshold will be returned to
5%, and Nader will be invited. Debates used to
often make or break candidates when they were
open.
Here's the press release:
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DEBATE SITES; FORMER PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES
CALL ON CURRENT CANDIDATES TO PARTICIPATE
Open
Debates, National Press Building, 529 14th St. NW,
Suite 1201, Washington, DC 20045
May 24,
2004
Contact: Chris Shaw (202) 628-9195
Washington,
DC – Today, the Citizens' Debate Commission
announced sites and dates for a series of proposed
2004 general election presidential debates. Six
colleges and universities were selected to serve
as sites for five presidential debates and one
vice-presidential debate:
Capital University, in
Columbus, OH on Wednesday, September 22.
Swarthmore College, in
Swarthmore, PA on Tuesday, September 28.
Canisius College in Buffalo,
NY on Sunday, October 3.
Willamette University in
Salem, OR on Thursday, October 7
(Vice-Presidential Debate)
Carleton College in
Northfield, MN on Monday, October 11.
Nova Southeastern University
in Fort Lauderdale, FL on Friday, October 15.
“These are fine academic
institutions with great facilities,” stated George
Farah, author of No Debate and executive director
of Open Debates, which helped form the Citizens'
Debate Commission.
“This series of debates is
needed because the bipartisan Commission on
Presidential Debates is not primarily concerned
with voter education. The nonpartisan Citizens'
Debate Commission will sponsor debates which
feature formats that are designed to give voters
real insight on the presidential candidates,” said
John B. Anderson, former U.S. Congressman (R-IL)
and former presidential candidate.
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It brings up many new factors. It
was already on FOX news meaning these debates are
going to get publicity. Of course Kerry and Bush
will be invited, but will they attend, or will
they just go to the Republican and Democrat
debates in Miami, (and other cities).
If they decline, it's going to be on
TV that they declined, which holds ramifications
with us voters.
If they go, it's
going to be quite a show!
You never
know where stuff is going to come from
More here:
http://opendebates.com/news/televisionradio.html
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And I'll close with a comment on the corrupt
R&D debate comission from someone many of us
know:
"The debates are part of the
unconscionable fraud that our political campaigns
have become. Here is a means to present to the
American people a rational exposition of the major
issues that face the nation, and the alternate
approaches to their solution. Yet the candidates
participate only with the guarantee of a format
that defies meaningful discourse. They should be
charged with sabotaging the electoral process."
Walter Cronkite
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Major Bush
fund-raiser donates to Nader campaign
Democrats see strategy as bid to
hurt Kerry
By Anne E. Kornblut,
Boston Globe Staff | July 1, 2004
WASHINGTON -- Billionaire Richard J.
Egan built his reputation in politics as a major
donor and fund-raiser for the Bush campaign,
steering hundreds of thousands of dollars into
Republican coffers in recent years. But now it
appears Egan and his relatives are bankrolling a
new candidate: independent presidential contender
Ralph Nader.
Egan, cofounder of EMC
Corp. in Hopkinton, has given Nader the maximum
$2,000 allowed under the law, according to federal
elections documents that also show a $4,000
contribution to Nader from Egan's son and
daughter-in-law, John R. and Pamela C. Egan. An
independent campaign finance watchdog group lists
the Egan-Managed Capital company -- another family
business in Massachusetts -- as among the biggest
contributors to the Nader campaign.
Donors often cross party lines to
support candidates based on specific regional or
business issues, but the Egans' sudden interest in
Nader seems to reflect a more sophisticated
strategy by Republicans to draw support away from
Democratic challenger John F. Kerry by bolstering
his third-party rival. For months, Democrats have
accused Republicans of conspiring to put Nader on
enough ballots to tip the election -- a theory
that gained credence this week as two conservative
groups in Oregon admitted making phone calls
urging supporters to help win Nader a spot on the
ticket in that evenly divided state.
Yesterday, a watchdog group in
Washington filed a complaint with the Federal
Election Commission accusing the Oregon groups of
breaking campaign laws with their efforts on
Nader's behalf. The complaint also names the Bush
and Nader campaigns, saying that reports of the
Bush campaign using its resources to help Nader,
and Nader's acceptance of the assistance, would
amount to illegal campaign activity. Both groups
and the two campaigns denied breaking the law,
calling the accusations ''frivolous."
The complaint points ''to no
evidence of us doing anything wrong in Oregon --
if some Republican-leaning groups supported our
convention it was done independent of us, and they
offer nothing to disprove that," Nader spokesman
Kevin Zeese said.
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Group: Bush allies
illegally helping Nader in Oregon
Complaint filed with Federal
Election Commission
Wednesday, June 30, 2004 Posted:
8:19 PM EDT (0019 GMT)
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Efforts by
two conservative groups to help President Bush by
getting independent presidential candidate Ralph
Nader on the ballot in the key battleground state
of Oregon prompted a complaint to the Federal
Election Commission Wednesday by a liberal
watchdog group.
Citizens for
Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW)
said phone banks encouraging Bush supporters to
attend a Nader nominating convention last Saturday
amounted to an illegal in-kind contribution to the
Nader campaign by the Oregon Family Council and
Oregon Citizens for a Sound Economy.
Bush's re-election campaign and the
Oregon Republican Party were also named in the
complaint for allegedly participating in the
effort. The complaint alleges the groups worked
together to promote Nader and siphon potential
votes away from Sen. John Kerry, the presumptive
Democratic presidential nominee.
Melanie Sloan, executive director of
CREW, said the two groups, though non-profit, are
still considered corporations, "and corporations
are strictly prohibited from making contributions
to political campaigns."
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Florida GOP comes to
Nader's aid in quest to secure spot on
ballot
(KRT) MIAMI —
Reviled by Florida Democrats as a spoiler in the
2000 presidential race, Ralph Nader has found a
new ally: the Republican Party of Florida.
The GOP is coming to Nader's aid,
suggesting that Democratic efforts to scrutinize
his bid to secure a spot on Florida's presidential
ballot fall "beyond the bounds of hypocrisy."
Florida Democrats say they'll pull
out all the legal stops to see that Nader's bid
for ballot access hews strictly to state law - a
tactic that Republican Party of Florida Chairman
Carole Jean Jordan suggests is two-faced.
"Democrats are quick to use the
issue of voter disenfranchisement to their benefit
and yet have no problem unleashing their legal
sharks on Ralph Nader," Jordan said Wednesday in a
press release titled, "Let Ralph Run."
Florida Democratic Party Chairman
Scott Maddox said the party only wants to make
sure that Nader legitimately qualifies for the
Florida ballot. But the examination mirrors
efforts across the country that Naderites say are
designed to trip up the independent candidate as
he tries to secure a spot on ballots across the
United States - a daunting effort complicated by
the Green Party rebuff of Nader over the weekend.
In turn, Democrats have accused
Republicans of working to help Nader get on the
ballot. The Nader campaign says it's unaware of
any Republican assists.
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Greens reject Nader
endorsement, back Cobb
Nader
had sought party’s endorsement to help get on
ballots
The Associated Press
Updated: 10:12 a.m. ET June 27, 2004
MILWAUKEE - The Green Party
nominated Texas attorney David Cobb as its
candidate for president Saturday, rejecting Ralph
Nader’s efforts to secure the party’s formal
endorsement and likely access to the ballot in key
states like Wisconsin and California.
Nader, the party’s candidate in 1996
and 2000, had told Green officials months ago he
would not accept the party’s nomination for
president, preferring to build a coalition of
third-party groups and independents rather than
running under one banner.
Still, he
openly courted their formal endorsement as a means
to get on the ballot in the 22 states and
Washington, D.C., where the party has a ballot
line.
But 408 delegates voted for
Cobb on the second ballot to give him the
nomination.
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I wonder how Ralph feels about the
Republicans helping him out. If he's honest, he'll
publicly reject them, and return any cash that
comes his way from them.
I hope his
campaign, such as it is, drops dead in its tracks.
This is not a guy who cares about his country,
IMO.
Thanks for the updates,
Jimmie d. I hadn't seen most of those.
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I saw that the other day and posted
about it, but changed it into a post about racing
because my post was so sad, I thought the Greens
were more progressive than that, but if they
aren't, you can bet the rest of the american
population is just as helpless in the face of
billion dollar corporate advertizing too. It's
really a statement on the ignorance of the
American people, and quite franlky, on the whole,
we deserve the loss of our future, and increased
violence that is about to befall us because we
refuse to reject it.
It get's me that
corporate has won again, I was reading a newspaper
article about the fact that we're on track to
"shatter" the 2000 record of 1.4 billion dollars
in this election cycle, what's Nader's 1 million
going to do against 1.4 billion dollars, he's
being out advertized a thousand dollars to one.
Heck, the election cycles are growing to rival the
diet industry's advetrtizing, you can get
Americans to go for any folly if you package it
right and spend enough on TV.
I know a lot of
people who want peace are sincerely voting for
Kerry, and I can appriciate that, however IMHO
they're going to be sorely disappointed as the
corporate push keeps on in Israel and the mid
east, and terrorism escalates upwards from where
it is now...instead of reversing with Nader's
corporate pull from Iraq and from American foreign
policy. Kerry has come right out and said he will
push the 14 bases, CIA government and push the
occupation "ten years atr least", als he said he
will send 40.000 more of our children into the
terrorism magnet, and keep the push for corporate
interests in Iraq. Americans hear those words, but
they don't have any meaning all they see is to
replace bush and it doesn't matter with whom, even
another corporate war president is fine. It
doesn't matter if we have a feelgood president
because it's not what we Americans think that
matters, it's how the oppressed enemies we are
making think. We are not ousting bush with Kerry,
rather we are replacing Bush with Kerry, the
figure in this cartoon will change soon, but the
action is the same because Kerry is stating he's
going to maintain Bush's corporate push when he
gets in. There is no reason to expect anything to
get better with Kerrys dismal voting record and
his vocalized plans for maintaining the corporate
push...yet Americans hear the words, see the
voting record and still can't seem to get the
message. Replace Bush is all they know.
Frank
was right.
It's too bad that justice
and one million dollars can't compete with 1.4
billion dollars, we could be not only a beautiful
country and a catalyst for peace, but we also
could save ourselves at home by not giving most of
our money and energy to corporate. For me,I'm
relativly all set becaus ei won't depend on what's
not coming from the government. It doesn't matter
to me so much cuz in 3.8 years I'll qualify for
full medical from Kodak in my retirement so I'll
have full medical and prescriptions, and also,
I've been planning for retirement, so I won't rely
on social security for 1/3 of my retirement
income. To me the wonder is if the same people who
don't look deep enough to be revolted by corporate
control of themselves and our country (funny,
somehow I'm not surprised some have not found out
on their own the Nader/Green news for days...until
somebody told them), are the same type of folks
who don't plan ahead for self sufficient medical
and income in their retirement...I wonder if
they'll be the same people who'll bitch the
loudest when the attacks escalate after Kerry gets
in and their SS and medical and retirement is gone
(because we're donating it to corporate and to
wars), and the violence escalates when Kerry
doesn't pull corporate from their land. You know
what they say, "never try to teach a pig to sing,
you waste your time, and it annoys the pig."
I hear people say they'll be glad to
"put a stop to this" when Bush is replaced by one
who is another corporate occupation pushing, NAFTA
voting, PATRIOT Act right stealing, war candidate.
They can't even tell me why they like Kerry save
for the fact that he is not Bush. I guess they'll
have to learn the hard way.
It's a sad day for
the oppressed of the world, the rich have won an
election cycle again. Nader has stood up for our
values of justice for the common man, and we're
scoffing at him, and even gleefully watching him
go down. I'm watching my generation turn into my
parents.
I stood up for what I believe in
here, and got very little help, maybe it's a
fool's errand to continue. And bless you all who
do stand up for justice and for the oppressed; for
the rest, I won't annoy you any more.
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"I think
Ralph Nader is the biggest liar in American
politics
when he said it didn't matter who was
president."
James Carville
Thursday,
October 11, 2001
The Northwestern Daily
"A vote for Nader is a
vote for George W. Bush," Lieberman said in a
phone interview. "How will you feel if you
vote for Nader, and as a result Bush carried
Washington and Oregon?" he asked of those opposed
to Bush. "You will wake up on Nov. 8 with George
Bush as president-elect, with ideas diametrically
opposite to your own."
Saturday, October 28,
2000
Seattle Post-Intelligencer
Robert Borosage, who
organized a liberal conference shortly after the
2000 election, but omitted Nader, said: "When you
announce that the Greens are going to run against
Democratic candidates, we tend to take that kind
of thing personally. Nader has been a man of
enormous integrity, but he led people on a fool's
errand last year, and now he seems to be in a box
he can't get out of." -- Common Dreams 3-4-01
Amy Isaacs, national
director of Americans for Democratic Action, said:
"What's done is done, but if in the face of
everything, they're still going to threaten good
Democratic members in 2002-- well, if he wants to
commit political suicide, okay, but he can't ask
me to drink the Kool-Aid with him."
July 2001,
Mother Jones
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Although it's easy to find people who
succum to fear, and especially easy to find
Democrats who succumb to fear and diss Ralph,
arguably, one cannot find a man with more wisdom
than Noam Chomsky.
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Chomsky and Zinn Support Ralph's Revolt
In a newly released book, author
Greg Bates reveals that noted linguist, author and
political analyst Noam Chomsky and historian
Howard Zinn, author of A People's History of the
United States, have both decided to vote for
independent presidential candidate Ralph Nader
this November.
The book,
Ralph's Revolt: The Case for Joining Nader's
Rebellion highlights the views of the two
celebrated residents from Kerry's home state,
Massachusetts, who urge people in safe states to
vote for Nader. They argue that Nader's campaign
is essential to stopping the Democratic Party's
move to the right, especially around the war and
occupation in Iraq. In this election year the
Nader-Camejo campaign is essential for voters
interested in a serious voice for ending the U.S.
military and corporate occupation of Iraq in the
presidential election.
The
book, dedicated to the staff and volunteers of the
Nader-Camejo Campaign, also highlights the
importance of Nader being on the ballot in the
battleground states that could determine the
elections outcome as important to the long-term
influence or leverage on the Democrats. Otherwise
there will be no pull by voters in the progressive
direction while 24 hours a day corporate interests
are pulling Kerry the other way toward more
plutocracy and less democracy.
Ralph's Revolt notes the
cumulative impact of "lesser evil voting" - making
the Democratic Party more evil and less powerful.
It also highlights the insecurity of the Democrats
and their deplorable efforts to keep the
Nader-Camejo Campaign off the ballot and block
voter choice. Bates describes this as an ominous
sign that is a stand against democratic process
and urges the creation of a people-based third
party to take back our country.
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