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« Reply #120 on: Apr
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Blitzer: One of the major differences
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« Reply #121 on: Apr
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BTW, about three posts above this I
posted a realplayer link with Nader talking about
the intelligence of decrimalization of marijuana.
If you clicked on the link but it looked like
nothing was happening, sorry about that...the
browser will say "done", but it will still be
loading. it will eventually start to play. Sorry
if anyone had problems with it..here's the link
again, what do you guys think about it? Good
thing? Bad thing?
http://www.znakomi.com/zappaforum/2004/rm/ralphondrugsrm.rm
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http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Mar04/Frank0316.htm
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"With that said, a never before seen
progressive loathing has set in across the US, and
it is split right in two:
Faction
Number One utterly detests Nader, and anyone for
that matter, who dares stand up to the Democratic
Party. If said person does raise a few qualms,
they are typically labeled as a maniacal egotist,
or worse yet, a Republican plant.
And then there is progressive
Faction Number Two, which loathes not only Bush,
but also the broken system that continues to fail
Americans year after year.
This group sees Bush not as
the embodiment of all that is evil, but as a
product of a fractured democracy that’s been on
its last leg for too long.
Sure Nader’s run could sift
vital resources away from grassroots activism, and
waste it on the “lose-lose” electoral game. It is
also true that Nader isn’t beholden to any
progressive ideology but his own. However, at
least we can conclude that Nader is not in the
back pockets of the power elites like Kerry and
Bush.
Democracy is for
everyone. And if liberals and progressives do
decide to hold their nose and pull the lever for
John Kerry, they better be able to consciously
handle the ramifications of their pragmatic choice
(1.) if he's victorious. Here is a short list
for which they’ll need redemption:
* A continued US endorsement
of Israel’s illegal occupation of Palestinian
territories.
* A US supported
occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan.
* A continued adherence to
neoliberal policies throughout the free market
world.
* An American health
care system controlled and run by private
corporations.
* An increase in
the level of income disparity among rich and poor
citizens in the US.
* And an
almost exponential decline of the natural
environment and endangered species of North
America. And much much more. "
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(1.) The problem I have with this is they are
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« Reply #123 on: Apr
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Nice to see the petrolium industry
getting behind Kerry, (notice the web page this is
on):
http://www.petroleumworld.com/Edit4Mar24.htm
Chevez is making the same mistake
the Talliban and Saddam made, they both control
oil, and they both turned on the US and had to be
dealt with. Good to know Kerry knows the rules.
Here is "Petrolium World" sending the message that
"Kerry is OK". Kerry mentioned Chavez in a speech
the other day which probably went right over the
heads of most Americans but is the green light for
petrolium contributions to Kerry...he shares their
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Blitzer: One of the major differences
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URGENT: STOP RALPH
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on Apr 15th, 2004, 6:14pm,
flammaster
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It really sucks that
you can't just vote for who you think will do
well without being hit on the head.
Fuck it, I'm voting Nader I don't
care what anyone else thinks!
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New
Hampshire (4 electoral votes) and Florida (25
electoral votes) were the two states in which
George W. Bush's margin of victory was less than
the number of
votes for Ralph Nader.
Do the math. A vote for Nader is a
vote for Bush.
Note: In the 2000
census redistricting, Florida gained two electoral
votes. (now 27) |
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« Reply #129 on: Apr
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I agree. This whole good cop
bad cop thing needs to be put to rest. D
"Alright, let's make some environmental
strategies to be enacted in 6 years.."
R"Oops! sorry! Now that I'm elected
good bye environmental plan." D "YAY! I'm
back in! In ten years I promise to cut back
emissions by.......
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I agree. This whole good cop
bad cop thing needs to be put to rest. D
"Alright, let's make some environmental
strategies to be enacted in 6 years.."
R"Oops! sorry! Now that I'm elected
good bye environmental plan." D "YAY! I'm
back in! In ten years I promise to cut back
emissions by.......
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« Reply #131 on: Apr
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on Apr 15th, 2004,
6:14pm, flammaster
wrote:
It really sucks that
you can't just vote for who you think will do
well without being hit on the head.
Fuck it, I'm voting Nader I don't
care what anyone else thinks!
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First
to flammaster...I hope you'll excuse my 'French'
but...
Fuckin-A man!
You da man!
Ya gotta vote for who you
want, it's the ONLY way we can expect Democracy.
Also, thanks for speaking up, I've
been doing a lot of work here sharing what I've
been finding out about Kerry, but at the same
time, feeling kinda alone, (lol, I've been a Zappa
fan all my life, so I'm sorta used to it). I
appriciate you speaking your mind flammaster(:
Jimmie-d,
I understand your
position, believe me I do. I even shared it until
I got a good look at what's going on, however, I
got a good look at the forest that I couldn't see
for the trees, and my opinion has changed. Now I
understand that we're fucked if Kerry gets in
because:
Look at his financers, the
top three are the top corporate law firms, and the
top contributor is also the leader in dollar
amount of global aquisitions....can we say "good
bye jobs"? Kerrys top three donators are corporate
law firms, exactly about 'good bye jobs'.
Mr. Kerry is Mr NAFTA
personnified..not only voting for NAFTA, but a
LEADING speaker on the floor pushing NAFTA. Is it
any wonder how he got those afore mentioned
corporate lawyers to be his top contributors. And
again, can we say "good-bye jobs"?
Mr Kerry also see's the wisdom in
eliminating articles in the bill of rights after
200 years, and rewriting others. He voted FOR the
P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act. Surely he must know more than
our founding fathers, we have way too many rights.
Can we say "We need to cut our rights back"?
There will be no change with Kerry
in our military push in the mid east, and can only
be an escallation of tensions between Muslems and
Americans. Kerry voted FOR this unprecidented,
unamerican FIRST STRIKE and invasion of Iraq.
Although Kerry got on TV a couple of weeks ago and
promised us a VICTORY in the war on terrorism
(which really proves to me he is just a liar like
Bush; don't let him show you he's a liar, then
excuse it as 'politics'), the reality is tensions
are going to continue to escalete with muslems,
anti-american extremeists, and especially violent
Muslem extremeists if Kerry gets in. What we do to
Palistineans by backing Sharon (which Kerry is
going to continue), is going to sustain a lot of
injustice, suffering, and MORE violence worldwide
(and in the US). Can we say "Permanent World War"?
The above reasons are the heavy
hitters. A continuation of the downfall of America
from 2004 to 2008 with either Kerry or Bush leaves
us damn little time before the baby boomers start
retiring, something like two years (2008-2010), to
fix this huge mess. And with world tensions
increasing and a corporate man and his top
corporate law firms in the white house, can we say
"I think I'll have the beef flavored Alpo
tonight".
Don't go by the retoric
Kerry spews, go by his voting record. If a
politician want's big corporate bucks, he first
has to have a voting record like Kerry's to show
them he'll
make their corporate backing return a
profit.
VERY UNFORTUNATLY
someone like Kucinich doesn't have the voting
record to bring in the big bucks, (I think he
could only raise something like 7 million).
Corporate America has now thouroughly bought BOTH
parties, so gone are the days of hope that the
Democrats could nominate someone like Kucinich.
It's sad, but true.
Our country
cannot go down anymore:
This is
crutially important, PRODUCTIVITY HAS GONE UP at
leas 2% YEAR ON YEAR. The minimum wage should be
$14.65 if it had kept up with productivity... BUT
IN CALIFORNIA THE STANDARD OF LIVING HAS
GONE DOWN 25% SINCE 1974.
WE ARE GETTING FUCKED.
Also, it used to be one worker in a
household was enough to feed the family, (and keep
remembering productivity has gone UP, not
down)...now two workers can barely afford a
house...
Most jobs
used to have pensions, now that's gone, damn few
have piddlens now. It's NOT OK because the SS
trust fund is full of IOU's and the baby boomers
are coming. WHO"S KEEPING THE MONEY NOW THAT USED
TO BE OUR PENSIONS? WHO SPENT THE SS TRUST FUND?
WHY NOW EMPLOYERS "CANT AFFORD" pension funds?
It used to be
that jobs were the standard way to health
insurance...and the standard fare was
BlueCross/Blue Shield. That's history now, HMO's
are the best we can do IF our employer has medical
at all.
Those are the
main reasons we cannot fly with the money machine
anymore, losing more every year. It has to stop,
we are at the end right now. We won't have time to
fix it after Kerry or Bush in 2008. The bleeding
MUST STOP NOW before it truly is too late. Kerry
will be more of the same, nearly identical to
Bush. |
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Jimmie, don't get me wrong, I'm
respectfully disagreeing with you. I understand
where you are coming from. I actually have a
sneaking suspicion that you don't like Kerry
either, but you want to protect the world from the
Bushwhakker. But it is a myth that 2004 is like
2000. Things are VERY different now than 2004. In
fact it's even unlikely that thr Republicans are
going to write that check as in your above
cartoon, it's just a Democratic continuation of
the myth, (although it's very tempting to take
that answer). The truth is Nader in NOT sucking
more Democratic votes than Republicans, the
Republicans are afraid of Nader because according
to last months New Hampshire poll (you were
talking about New Hampshire in your post above),
TWICE AS MANY REPUBLICANS ARE GOING FOR NADER AS
DEMOCRATS. The Republicans are not likely to write
the check in the cartoon above...nor promote
Nader, Independents are going for Nader, then
Republicans, and then Democrats are LAST with only
half as many D's going for Nader as Republicans.
That's just the fact of the numbers right now in
2004.
The whole damn worry may
become a mute point because of Wednesdays
complaint filed with the IRS against the
Presidential Debate Comittee. The D's and R's
corporate lock out of candidates, and a whole slew
of other debate hijinks may go right out the
window. 64% of Americans want Nader in the
debates, and he indeed passes the long standard
apple seed test to gain entry. If nader makes the
debates, we may have no worry about will Bush win
(I'm equally worried about Kerry winning, no
difference to me). Both the D's and R's have falen
so low since the last fair debate that Nader will
have no trouble exposing them both. (This is my
hypothetical opinion: If Nader makes the debates,
he'll be president 8 years. It's also my
hypothetical opinion that Bush alreadyt has no
chance in 04, the numbers are too high against
him. American are sick sick sick of him and they
want change...that's my opinion).
So...We have PLENTY of time. If
you're squeamish on Kerry then support nader now
just to get him on the debate stage and SEE WHAT
THE POLLS DO. The debates are before the
elections, and so are the opinion polls. We have
plenty of time to see what's going on after the
debates, but well before the elections.
BOTH the Democrats and Republicans
are afraid of Nader, as well they should be. They
are for corporate, Nader is for citizens.
(also, I jus want to mention, I
wasn't "yelling" with my cap's on before, I was
just trying to accent importance on certain ideas.
It's our ass that's on the line.)
Also Jimmie, if I have misread you
and you are voting for Kerry because you like him,
I'd like to ask you why you like Kerry, and if so,
why you don't like Nader. Why should Kerry get my
vote and not from Nader?
And if you
are squeamish on Kerry, then I'd ask you to
constantly reconsider cuz you're exactly the type
of person we need on the side of citizens and
Nader: strong and vocal).
A parting
thought:
If Americans HAVE TO vote for
the #2 money guy so that the #1 money guy doesn't
become their leader, and they cannot vote
for the one they like...then are we truly "free"?
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on Mar 20th, 2004,
6:11pm, Noah
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| Don't you all
realize that by repeating the same elitist
bullshit about "He can't win so don't vote for
him" Is exactly what keeps America from being a
democracy.
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just wanted to comment... I agree Noah, I think
you have it exactly right. |
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on Mar 18th, 2004,
8:36pm, Disco
Boy wrote:
So
essentially what you're saying is if Nader
didn't run this year (or four years ago) then
everyone who would've voted for Nader would've
voted for the Democrats?
If so, I
think that's BS.
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Disco Boy, of course, exactly right again
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