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« Reply #105 on: Mar
23rd, 2004, 2:00am » |
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hehehe there's a lot more
where that came from!
But back to
the issue at hand. Yes, there is a
major difference between D's getting in this year,
but I just think that everyone's energy should be
put into dissuading people from voting for Bush.
Don't think people can't change their
minds, they can. Everyone needs to
spend time talking to their neighbours, finding
ways to calmly illustrate why their vote should
NOT go to George Bush. Don't tell them who
to vote for, just point out the option that is
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« Reply #106 on: Mar
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on Mar 23rd, 2004,
2:00am, Noah
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| Don't tell them who
to vote for, just point out the option that is
best everyone not choose.
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I
believe that was Dr. Noomies' purpose in starting
this thread... |
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« Reply #108 on: Mar
23rd, 2004, 7:45am » |
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on Mar 23rd, 2004,
2:43am, Noah
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| Do you believe Nader
would handle the american presidency worse than
Nader?
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I
think you mean Do you believe Kerry would
handle the american presidency worse than
Nader?
If so, yes, there would
be 9 worlds of difference, and the major
differences will be in making it possible for baby
boomers to retire with food, pulling the election
system back from corporate control, shifting money
from foolish war programs into infrastructure and
education programs that can't be moved overseas,
the end of exporting jobs for soley corporate
benefit, eliminating deficit spending (mostly by
slashing the 400 billion military foolishness
budget), and beginning to pay DOWN the national
debt, stopping corporate tax havens like
Hallibutron in Bermuda(and heck even Lybis), and
last but certainly not least, enforcing existing
law and adding the manditory EXPENSING of stock
options in order to stop taxpayer subsidized
corporate welfare.
Kerry aint gonna
do any of those things, it's just going to ba a
continuation of 'busness as usual' under Kerry,
and continuation of the downslide to Alpo at 70.
I believe the difference
between Kerry and Bush might be measured worldwide
in that Syria and Iran may be slightly safer, But
as much as PNAC/Wolfowicz, bush ets want to invade
Syria and Iran, they will never get the support
out of congress after the last fiasco...therefore,
there will be relatively NO difference worldwide
between Kerry and Bush..the ONLY thing Kerry can
do that busg cantr is mend friendships,,,but with
the damage already done, and no difference in
fiture damage between Kerry and Bush, then there
is in actuality no difference worldwide.
So we can either elect a
representative of the people and become a
beautiful country, (there actually IS plenty of
money to fix out problems), OR, we can continue
our economic collapse under corporate rule.
With Nader, the unemployed get an
unexportable job on American infrastructure, with
money diverted ffrom the horrible war
machine...with Kerry of Bush, they get the same
Desenex burger.
That really is the
difference in choice we are faced with, it's up to
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« Reply #109 on: Mar
23rd, 2004, 7:56am » |
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(Palestinean strife is
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Blitzer: One of the major differences
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Republican presidential tickets on the other hand,
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« Reply #110 on: Mar
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There would have been a major
difference between Kucinich and Bush, but that
difference is also what helped Kerry bring in more
4.5x times the money than Kucinich, and get the
nomination.
I think it was a lot
more than coincedence that Nader entered the race
after a couple of primarys showed Kucinich was not
going to make it. Nader and Kucinich are friends,
they and their staffs constantly worked together
on issues mostly surrounding getting people and
heard in congress and in Ohio. They've worked
together 20 years. (Kucinich lost his job once for
sticking up for the people in Cincinnatti against
the municipal power company).
Kucinich would have made a real
difference, he was the real deal. |
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Blitzer: One of the major differences
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« Reply #111 on: Mar
23rd, 2004, 6:07pm » |
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sorry, that last message of mine was
directed at Metnal toss Flycoon, I meant to say,
"Do you really think Nader would do a worse job
than Bush? |
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« Reply #112 on: Mar
23rd, 2004, 7:24pm » |
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Electibility aside, I think the
problem with Nader as president is that he has
virtually no political infrastructure. It's
probably the only negative consequence of not
being in anyone's pocket. It would be very hard
for him to get things done in Washington....
Everything would be a constant struggle.
Especially if the Republicans remain in control of
the House and Senate, but the Dems won't be much
easier for him to work with. Both sides will be
plotting how to get him out after one
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We had to use a, had to use a putty
knife, man, to get them damn things off the
winduh. You couldn't even see out the winduh with
all them boogers, man. I'm not kiddin' you
(sniff).
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« Reply #113 on: Mar
23rd, 2004, 7:34pm » |
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on Mar 23rd, 2004,
7:24pm, Ronnys
Noomies wrote:
| Electibility aside,
I think the problem with Nader as president is
that he has virtually no political
infrastructure. It's probably the only negative
consequence of not being in anyone's pocket. It
would be very hard for him to get things done in
Washington.... Everything would be a constant
struggle. Especially if the Republicans remain
in control of the House and Senate, but the Dems
won't be much easier for him to work with. Both
sides will be plotting how to get him out after
one term...........
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Wow,
Ronnys, I gotta disagree with you on this one.
Getting rid of some of the infrastructure
and throwing DC into a spin would be the best
thing about having a Non-Rep-Dem President.
I won't vote for him, cuz I agree that the
primary concern should be getting rid of Bush, but
near as I can tell, I'm the target audience for
people like Nader who want to deconstruct the DC
infrastructure.
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« Reply #114 on: Mar
23rd, 2004, 8:26pm » |
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on Mar 23rd, 2004,
7:34pm, Arkay
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Wow,
Ronnys, I gotta disagree with you on this one.
Getting rid of some of the infrastructure
and throwing DC into a spin would be the best
thing about having a Non-Rep-Dem President.
I won't vote for him, cuz I agree that the
primary concern should be getting rid of Bush,
but near as I can tell, I'm the target audience
for people like Nader who want to deconstruct
the DC infrastructure.
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It
would be the best thing about it! But it would be
a very hard road for Nader, or any Nader type
president, that's all. Not much would get done. As
you indicate, NOW just isn't the time tho. See? We
agree!!!!!! |
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We had to use a, had to use a putty
knife, man, to get them damn things off the
winduh. You couldn't even see out the winduh with
all them boogers, man. I'm not kiddin' you
(sniff).
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« Reply #115 on: Mar
25th, 2004, 4:20am » |
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on Mar 23rd, 2004,
6:07pm, Noah
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| sorry, that last
message of mine was directed at Metnal toss
Flycoon, I meant to say, "Do you really think
Nader would do a worse job than Bush?
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No,
I think Nader would probably make a fine
President. That is, if he could ever get
elected.
In 1996, Nader got less
than 1% of the vote. In 2000, he got almost 3%. At
that rate, he'll get nearly 9% this time.
Yippee Skippy: whoop-de-doo...
Will Ralph Nader ever be President
of the United States? No: not ever.
I learned my lesson by voting for
John Anderson in 1980. I helped get Ronald
Reagan elected. I'm never going to make that
mistake again. |
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Ronnys
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« Reply #116 on: Mar
25th, 2004, 8:41am » |
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on Mar 25th, 2004,
4:20am, MentalTossFlycoon
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I learned my
lesson by voting for John Anderson in 1980. I
helped get Ronald Reagan elected. I'm never
going to make that mistake again.
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Hey,
don't remind me! I did the same thing.....
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We had to use a, had to use a putty
knife, man, to get them damn things off the
winduh. You couldn't even see out the winduh with
all them boogers, man. I'm not kiddin' you
(sniff).
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imisshimbad
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« Reply #117 on: Mar
27th, 2004, 12:14pm » |
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Nader's popularity is on the
rise...it opened at 6%, then last week 7%...now
this week 8%. People are finding out about him. I
saw Nader as high as 12.5% in 2000; 15% gets him
in the debates this year.
Lol, wide
range forecast:
With Bush's numbers
being so low, and heading lower, Bush is through.
History shows his numbers already clearly mean
"out".
That put's it between Kerry and Nader.
I would likely say Kerry will win, however (in my
opinion), Nader is such a better choice that if he
makes the debates, he will shred big money in
front of the American people, and that may change
everything.
Also interesting for
those people voting for Kerry that don't really
want to, but feel most of Naders votes (or enough
to cripple), come from Kerry. The numbers are
starting to come in.
TWICE as many
Republicans are going Nader as Democrats.
It's a volitile situation for sure,
because what I keep thinking of is that 12.5% in
2000 was awfully close to 15%, and if Ralph can
get in the debates, anything could happen,
(including MHO, saving our democracy from money
control; it is in fact, the only way to
save our democracy from money control).
Here are the latest numbers, Nader
presently has 8% which is comprised of:
4% of the Democrats,
8% of the Republicans,
11% of the Independants.
So long term prediction...probably
Kerry's, but at any moment can become between
Kerry and Nader.
If
Nader makes the debates, I predict it's Naders,
(with about 70% certainty). The whole Nader
question rests on 7 more percent.
Julias is finished.
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« Reply #118 on: Mar
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You guys might find this interesting,
some rational thoughts on drugs...It's a radically
different approach.
http://www.znakomi.com/zappaforum/2004/rm/ralphondrugsrm.rm
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« Reply #119 on: Apr
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A letter from Nader to the ABB
folks...
Dear Anybody But Bush
Liberal Democrats
If you wish to defeat
George W. Bush and Dick Cheney in November,
restore the House and/or the Senate to the
Democrats and continue to build a longer term
progressive political movement, enlisting the
young, middle-aged and elderly together, beyond
November 2004.... and you have some doubts as to
whether the Democrats can do this by themselves,
this letter is for you.
Let's face the facts. Our country has serious
problems. The world is not doing very well. We
need every source of energy inside the electoral
arena to turn harmful, costly and cruel trends
against billions of innocent people into just and
healthy directions.....
continued
here>
http://www.votenader.org/
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