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« Reply #90 on: Mar 18th, 2004, 8:36pm »
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on Mar 18th, 2004, 8:24pm, Ronnys Noomies wrote:

Because he can't win, that's why! If, by debating, he pulls a couple of percentage points away from Kerry, he could get Bush re-elected. Those few percentage points wouldn't help Nader in any way, but they could very well screw the rest of us. If Nader had a chance to win, I'd be all for him. Again, the stakes are too high.

 
So essentially what you're saying is if Nader didn't run this year (or four years ago) then everyone who would've voted for Nader would've voted for the Democrats?
 
If so, I think that's BS. You can't assume that everyone would. Tim Robbins (who's very outspoken and into politics) was interviewed on CSNBC recently and raised the above point and I obviously agree with him.
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« Reply #91 on: Mar 18th, 2004, 10:37pm »
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on Mar 18th, 2004, 8:36pm, Disco Boy wrote:

 
So essentially what you're saying is if Nader didn't run this year (or four years ago) then everyone who would've voted for Nader would've voted for the Democrats?

In the last election, some huge percentage (60%)were democrats who would have likely voted for Gore, and most of the rest of his voters were independents, who also would have likely voted for Gore. I can't see any reason why this distribution would be any different now. Nader's mostly left leaning, so are most Democrats. And very very small numbers of votes could very easily sway the election. Check out the link I posted on the second page of this thread.... it 'splains things much better than I could. ----> http://www.turtlerock.com/RalphDontRun/
 
On another note, Tim Robbins is an idiot. His wife is a much better analyst politically.
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« Reply #92 on: Mar 19th, 2004, 2:06am »
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That's some interesting propaganda in the link you provided, RN. But nonetheless, people are still assuming that voters would've voted for the Democrats if Nader wasn't running. And I don't see any proof that that's the case. As I'm sure you know, half of America doesn't even vote in the first place. So maybe the "Don't Vote Ralph" campaign should change their slogan to "Don't Vote George W." (although I believe people shouldn't be told who to vote for) and concentrate on educating the other half of America? Because if they did, who knows what the turnout and more importantly, the results would be if they did?
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« Reply #93 on: Mar 19th, 2004, 10:15pm »
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« Reply #94 on: Mar 20th, 2004, 2:05am »
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« Reply #95 on: Mar 20th, 2004, 2:07am »
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« Reply #96 on: Mar 20th, 2004, 6:11pm »
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Don't you all realize that by repeating the same elitist bullshit about "He can't win so don't vote for him" Is exactly what keeps America from being a democracy.  Why not join the rest of the world in the twety first century and do SOMETHING to get rid of the monarchy you're locked into.   Christ.   Maybe your population deserves the form of government you continuously vote in, but the rest of the world doesn't.    
And I hardly think anyone who could create a political masterpiece like "Bob Roberts" is an idiot.
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« Reply #97 on: Mar 20th, 2004, 11:00pm »
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on Mar 20th, 2004, 6:11pm, Noah wrote:
Don't you all realize that by repeating the same elitist bullshit about "He can't win so don't vote for him" Is exactly what keeps America from being a democracy.  Why not join the rest of the world in the twety first century and do SOMETHING to get rid of the monarchy you're locked into.   Christ.   Maybe your population deserves the form of government you continuously vote in, but the rest of the world doesn't.    
And I hardly think anyone who could create a political masterpiece like "Bob Roberts" is an idiot.

What could possibly be elitist about wanting to get Bush out of office? Voting for an independent candidate is going to change our system of government? Apparently you haven't noticed that independent candidates are part of our lovely system already. Whatever you or I think about our government, it's here and it's not going anywhere in any of our lifetimes. So get real. I don't want to inflict Bush on the rest of world, any more than on us U.S. citizens. Lets limit the damage and move on! Another 4 years of Bush could screw us in ways that will take years and years to undo. I'm 51 years old, and this is the most important election in my lifetime, with real life and death consequences hanging in the balance. It's not elitist to suggest that a vote is a valuable tool for change, is it?
 
I generally agree with Tim Robbins, but let's not annoint him the next Fellini just yet, ok?
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« Reply #98 on: Mar 21st, 2004, 4:02am »
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« Reply #99 on: Mar 21st, 2004, 9:34am »
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« Reply #100 on: Mar 21st, 2004, 10:41am »
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on Mar 21st, 2004, 9:34am, imisshimbad wrote:

 
 
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« Reply #101 on: Mar 21st, 2004, 11:15am »
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on Mar 20th, 2004, 6:11pm, Noah wrote:
Don't you all realize that by repeating the same elitist bullshit about "He can't win so don't vote for him" Is exactly what keeps America from being a democracy.  Why not join the rest of the world in the twety first century and do SOMETHING to get rid of the monarchy you're locked into.   Christ.   Maybe your population deserves the form of government you continuously vote in, but the rest of the world doesn't.    
And I hardly think anyone who could create a political masterpiece like "Bob Roberts" is an idiot.

 
Well said Noah. We've got  7 1/2 months to spread the word, or we may be needing that ark come around 2010.
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« Reply #102 on: Mar 22nd, 2004, 7:04pm »
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What is elitist is that unless you're king of one of two parties supported by the same corporations you can't get elected.  What kind of democracy is that?   it's elitist.  They might as well run George against Jeb.  
 
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« Reply #103 on: Mar 22nd, 2004, 7:16pm »
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on Mar 22nd, 2004, 7:04pm, Noah wrote:
What is elitist is that unless you're king of one of two parties supported by the same corporations you can't get elected.  What kind of democracy is that?   it's elitist.  They might as well run George against Jeb.  
 
Hey immysimmybad.   Might as well just jump in the ark and get it over with now!
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Well, I guess if you define it like that, you're right. However, what you said in your post earlier was, "Don't you all realize that by repeating the same elitist bullshit about "He can't win so don't vote for him" Is exactly what keeps America from being a democracy." I'm not defending our system. I'm the first to criticize the good ole U.S. But, at the risk of repeating myself, there is a huge difference between what will happen if Bush gets re-elected and what will happen if he's not. A HUGE difference. Anyone who thinks there's no difference is really kidding himself/herself. I'd like to stop the killing and invading and hating. Doesn't that sound good?
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« Reply #104 on: Mar 22nd, 2004, 8:42pm »
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on Mar 22nd, 2004, 7:04pm, Noah wrote:

Hey immysimmybad.   Might as well just jump in the ark and get it over with now!
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Hey Noah, that's a pretty neat ark ya got there...I could get used to this flood Cheesy
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