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Re: URGENT: STOP RALPH NADAR!![sic]
« Reply #45 on: Feb 25th, 2004, 9:40pm »
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on Feb 24th, 2004, 9:43am, flammaster wrote:

 
yea how did that happen anyway?  I did not hear anything negative about Mr Ventura.  Anyone from Minnesotta care to comment?

 
I'm not from Minnesota but I always sensed that Jesse just didn't have the stomach for the slime and rot that is "Politics". He's a nice guy and he's still probably trying to shower "politics" off himself.
 
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« Reply #46 on: Feb 25th, 2004, 9:52pm »
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yep he seems like a real good guy!
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« Reply #47 on: Feb 25th, 2004, 9:56pm »
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on Feb 23rd, 2004, 6:23pm, radagast wrote:
jimmie d's got it right on this one.  it's the people who vote.

 
No, Joseph Stalin was the one who told us right on this one:
"It is not those who vote that decide the outcome of an election it is the ones who count the votes."
 
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« Reply #48 on: Feb 25th, 2004, 9:57pm »
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I like Ralph Nader. And you know what? If all the people who are saying that they're not going to vote for him because he doesn't have a chance at winning or that he'll by default make Bush win again would take the time to vote for him, Ralph just might have a chance in the upcoming election, don't you think?
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Re: URGENT: STOP RALPH NADAR!!
« Reply #49 on: Feb 25th, 2004, 9:59pm »
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on Feb 25th, 2004, 9:56pm, Batchain115 wrote:

 
No, Joseph Stalin was the one who told us right on this one:
"It is not those who vote that decide the outcome of an election it is the ones who count the votes."
 
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Wasn't it the Bonzo Dog Doo-Dah Band who said "No matter who you vote for, the Government always gets in"? Grin
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Re: URGENT: STOP RALPH NADAR!!
« Reply #50 on: Feb 25th, 2004, 10:02pm »
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on Feb 25th, 2004, 9:59pm, Billy wrote:

 
Wasn't it the Bonzo Dog Doo-Dah Band who said "No matter who you vote for, the Government always gets in"? Grin

 
Hah! I never heard that but I know the truth and hate it! Grin
 
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URGENT: STOP RALPH NADAR!![sic]
« Reply #51 on: Feb 26th, 2004, 5:39am »
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on Nov 30th, 2003, 10:37am, jimmie d wrote:
"Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything."--Russian Dictator Joseph Stalin
 
"Not only is the country's leading touch-screen voting system so badly designed that votes can be easily changed, but its manufacturer is run by a die-hard GOP donor who vowed to deliver his state for Bush next year." - Farhad Manjoo
 
http://www.toostupidtobepresident.com/shockwave/votingmachines.htm
 
http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2003/09/23/bev_harris/index_np.html
 
http://www.prisonplanet.com/bigger_than_watergate.html
 
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0307/S00065.htm
 
http://www.agonist.org/archives/009016.html#009016
 
http://www.agonist.org/archives/009318.html
 
"DELAND, Fla., Nov. 11 - Something very strange happened on election night to Deborah Tannenbaum, a Democratic Party official in Volusia County. At 10 p.m., she called the county elections department and learned that Al Gore was leading George W. Bush 83,000 votes to 62,000. But when she checked the county's Web site for an update half an hour later, she found a startling development: Gore's count had dropped by 16,000 votes, while an obscure Socialist candidate had picked up 10,000--all because of a single precinct with only 600 voters." - Washington Post Sunday , November 12, 2000 ; Page A22
 
...we're doomed...

on Feb 23rd, 2004, 5:47pm, jimmie d wrote:

I disagree. I feel that it was the voters that either failed to cast a ballot for Al Gore or cast a ballot for W that gave Bush the presidency. Kinda plain 'n simple, ay?

on Feb 23rd, 2004, 11:47pm, jimmie d wrote:

I don't get it. How does voting Democrat stop Ralph Nader, as this topic's heading commands. Nader is running regardless of how the votes are cast. Voting Democrat, however, can help to stop Bush.*
 
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on Feb 23rd, 2004, 6:23pm, radagast wrote:
jimmie d's got it right on this one.  it's the people who vote.

on Feb 25th, 2004, 9:56pm, Batchain115 wrote:
No, Joseph Stalin was the one who told us right on this one:
"It is not those who vote that decide the outcome of an election it is the ones who count the votes."
 
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...not so fast, Mr. Chain...
...as you can see, I issued a Diebold disclaimer to a previous post...

 
...oh...and by the way...I believe Stalin's quote should read as follows:
 
"It is enough that the people know there was an election. Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything.

 
I think that the Stalin quote in your post is of the "mutated on the internet" variety.
 
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« Reply #53 on: Feb 26th, 2004, 9:58pm »
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on Feb 25th, 2004, 9:57pm, Disco Boy wrote:
I like Ralph Nader. And you know what? If all the people who are saying that they're not going to vote for him because he doesn't have a chance at winning or that he'll by default make Bush win again would take the time to vote for him, Ralph just might have a chance in the upcoming election, don't you think?

Hi Josh. Yes, well, aside from questions about the effect he'll have on the race, there's also the fact that he's not a good candidate himself. I like him too, always have. But I think he'd be way over his head as president. He's been an effective consumer advocate and mouth piece. But he's really foggy on the other big issues, and shows no ability to work with others, which is absolutely a requirement for the job. Otherwise you get nothing done. And if he cared about this country at this crucial time, he'd throw all his influence behind the Democrats and get Bush the hell out of office. He'd actually achieve so many more of his goals that way, don't you think? That itself shows a serious lack of judgment, and a blind spot about his own need to bask in the spot light.
 
Fuck him, I say.
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Re: URGENT: STOP RALPH NADAR!!
« Reply #54 on: Feb 26th, 2004, 11:03pm »
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on Feb 26th, 2004, 9:58pm, Ronnys Noomies wrote:

Hi Josh. Yes, well, aside from questions about the effect he'll have on the race, there's also the fact that he's not a good candidate himself. I like him too, always have. But I think he'd be way over his head as president. He's been an effective consumer advocate and mouth piece. But he's really foggy on the other big issues, and shows no ability to work with others, which is absolutely a requirement for the job. Otherwise you get nothing done.

 
Hi, RN. Well, that's debatable. I wouldn't say he's that bad. But yes, not enough experience is a liability. But then again, if Arnold can govern a state like California and do it, you can do it too! *in a shitty Austrian accent* Grin
 
  on Feb 26th, 2004, 9:58pm, Ronnys Noomies wrote:
 And if he cared about this country at this crucial time, he'd throw all his influence behind the Democrats and get Bush the hell out of office.

 
But what if he doesn't agree with their policies?
 
 
on Feb 26th, 2004, 9:58pm, Ronnys Noomies wrote:
 He'd actually achieve so many more of his goals that way, don't you think?

 
Not necesarily. It's hard to say.
 
 
 on Feb 26th, 2004, 9:58pm, Ronnys Noomies wrote:
That itself shows a serious lack of judgment, and a blind spot about his own need to bask in the spot light.

 
I don't think he's trying to grab the limelight. I just believe he's doing what he thinks the country needs.
 
 
on Feb 26th, 2004, 9:58pm, Ronnys Noomies wrote:
Fuck him, I say.

 
No thanks. Grin
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« Reply #55 on: Feb 27th, 2004, 8:44am »
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on Feb 25th, 2004, 9:59pm, Billy wrote:

 
Wasn't it the Bonzo Dog Doo-Dah Band who said "No matter who you vote for, the Government always gets in"? Grin

 
It was a 1992 Bonzo-reunion 45. You can find it on Neil Innes' web-site. Read the lyrics and listen to it.
It's right here: http://www.neilinnes.org/N.htm#nomatter
 
Bonzo Dog Band was such a great band!  Grin
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« Reply #56 on: Feb 27th, 2004, 8:58am »
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on Feb 25th, 2004, 9:57pm, Disco Boy wrote:
I like Ralph Nader. And you know what? If all the people who are saying that they're not going to vote for him because he doesn't have a chance at winning or that he'll by default make Bush win again would take the time to vote for him, Ralph just might have a chance in the upcoming election, don't you think?

 
In this country I feel the majority only know of two parties Republicans and Democrats. That's the way its been and probabley will continue. My state Virginia has always leaned towards the Republicans.  I remember in December, 1992  in a 7-11 the man ahead of me in line was bitching about his Health insuranse going up on Jan 1st. The next thing out of his mouth was "That Fucking Clinton". I had to remind him that Clinton wasn't in office, and wouldn't be sworn in as president till Jan 20th, 1993. His next words was "Fuck You".  
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« Reply #58 on: Feb 28th, 2004, 2:40am »
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jimmy d wrote:
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...not so fast, Mr. Chain...  
...as you can see, I issued a Diebold disclaimer to a previous post...  
 
...oh...and by the way...I believe Stalin's quote should read as follows:  
 
"It is enough that the people know there was an election. Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything.  
 
I think that the Stalin quote in your post is of the "mutated on the internet" variety.  
 
look here > http://www.zappa.com/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=general;action=display;num=1070206645;start=7

 
"I think that the Stalin quote in your post is of the 'mutated on the internet' variety." There's one way of describing a "memory quote" -- which was clearly my intention with no pretense to scholarship -- the meaning was conveyed untarnished although diminished in eloquence. Is there a point to this, jimmy d? My suspicion is that your earlier post was what reminded me of what I'd long forgotten or that I'd been seeing that quotation repeated variously around the grand and glorious Internet with "PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION" figuring so prominently in the last several months. I'll hazard a guess and give your earlier posting the most likely reminder.
 
So, "tempest in a teapot", mr. d, agreed? I'd even declare there was no "copyright violation" involved!
What I wish is that I hadn't cleared out so much "dead email" ans lost the "CNET" URL to the whole "Diebold Issue". Theirs was a very commendable story and they were among the first to latch onto the Ohio-based Diebold company. (There is some chance the less-often-flushed PC in the guestroom/den still has that link even though either of us could search it out very easily.)
 
Oh, yeah! One thing, a political cartoon (Of all things!) I had saved for an unusually long time, does come to mind since it was only too apropos of many an instance of excessively laughable nitpicking and I would still pay some bizarrely unjustifiable amout to have the thing back! It was in regard to the US assisted-British need to reclaim the Falkland Islands in '82 and the depiction goes thus:
Two elderly bald men are shown fighting furiously over a broken comb.
I wanted to frame it, didn't get around to doing it, and now it's been gone so long there's no reason to think I might still have it at all.
 
Ack! And to see the remaining "political cartoons" I still have laminated that are now very, very dull and irrelevant fries my ass when I think of the ones I've lost!
 
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« Reply #59 on: Feb 28th, 2004, 6:14pm »
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[quote author=Ronnys Noomies link=board=general;num=1077553209;start=0#0 date=02/23/04 at 08:20:09]Well, he went and did it. Ralph Nadar is running for president again. The man who single-handedly gave Bush the presidency in 2000 is at it again.
 
Umm.  While I do agree with some of your points, now this is a sticky issue, and in the end I don't know where to lean, or who I would vote for if I were American, but let's be clear, JEB BUSH singlehandly delivered the election, NOT NADER!
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