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URGENT: STOP RALPH NADAR!!
« on: Feb 23rd, 2004, 11:20am »
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Well, he went and did it. Ralph Nadar is running for president again. The man who single-handedly gave Bush the presidency in 2000 is at it again.
 
He is a good guy, with a good premise (that both the Republicans and Democrats are in the pockets of big business), and most of the time it's good to have third party candidates.
 
2 problems: First, he hasn't done JACK SHIT since the last election. He squandered all the positive attention he garnered on important issues, and has been largely invisible.  Second, this election could very well be as close as the last one, and Ralph's votes are almost completely unhappy democrats, who would otherwise vote Democratic. He could actually be reponsible for 8 years of Bush!!  
 
Don't let it happen! Pass the word. And vote for the Democrat running against Bush.
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Re: URGENT: STOP RALPH NADAR!!
« Reply #1 on: Feb 23rd, 2004, 11:26am »
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He might be hired by Bush......
 
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URGENT: STOP RALPH NADAR!! [sic]
« Reply #2 on: Feb 23rd, 2004, 11:28am »
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on Feb 23rd, 2004, 11:20am, Ronnys Noomies wrote:
Well, he went and did it. Ralph Nadar is running for president again.

It's "Nader" ya big dolt!
 
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Re: URGENT: STOP RALPH NADAR!!
« Reply #3 on: Feb 23rd, 2004, 11:33am »
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Let's compromise - Nadir.
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« Reply #4 on: Feb 23rd, 2004, 11:34am »
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on Feb 23rd, 2004, 11:28am, jimmie d wrote:

It's "Nader" ya big dolt!
 
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If you erase the "r" from ronny's misspelling you get "Nada", and that's how many votes he will get. Wink
 
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Re: URGENT: STOP RALPH NADAR!!
« Reply #5 on: Feb 23rd, 2004, 11:43am »
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So what your sayin is Nader Narded the US Public.
 
I'm sorry but I have always voted for Ralph and I will continue to vote for him.
 
perhaps it's because the Demo's have no viable candidate.
 
Do I hate Bush? yes i do but I'm sure as fuck not voting for the lesser of two evils.
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« Reply #6 on: Feb 23rd, 2004, 12:02pm »
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on Feb 23rd, 2004, 11:43am, flammaster wrote:

Do I hate Bush? yes i do but I'm sure as fuck not voting for the lesser of two evils.

 
Letting the "not lesser" evil get in again.
 
If you really hate Bush, vote for one who really has a chance of throwing him out. When there's a fire going on, you bring hoses instead of buckets of water. Not that I agree 100% with Democrats but I couldn't stand seeing Bush for another 4 years. You want another war on Terrorism ?
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« Reply #7 on: Feb 23rd, 2004, 1:34pm »
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I absolutely hate to agree, but in ways I do. I would never want to stop third party candidates from running. I personally dislike both dems and pubs and if I thought Nader could win, he'd sure as hell get my vote. He can't though, and he's filtering anti-Bush votes away from the dems and at this point in history, there's no way I can help that happen. If Bush "wins" the election again.... I'll have to move to Cuba...or maybe even Canada. I can not..... WILL NOT be represented by that monkey for four more years.  
 
As much as I like Ralph and his platform, and I do very much, I don't think he's what we need for the next four years. Ideally, Ralph would run as VP with whoever gets the dem nomination.  
 
Hilary and Nader in 2004!  Wink
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« Reply #8 on: Feb 23rd, 2004, 1:37pm »
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on Feb 23rd, 2004, 11:43am, flammaster wrote:
So what your sayin is Nader Narded the US Public.
 
I'm sorry but I have always voted for Ralph and I will continue to vote for him.
 
perhaps it's because the Demo's have no viable candidate.
 
Do I hate Bush? yes i do but I'm sure as fuck not voting for the lesser of two evils.

 
 
This is why that fucking idiot W got "elected" in 2000.
 
STOP IT!
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« Reply #9 on: Feb 23rd, 2004, 1:38pm »
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Americans has arrived to that point where you vote AGAINST someone instead of FOR someone.
 
That happens a lot here up North.
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« Reply #10 on: Feb 23rd, 2004, 1:45pm »
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Why can't it be that Nader takes votes off of ''disgruntled'' repuplicans
 Republicans ,..who  wont vote republican coz of Bush's ethics ,.and won't vote democrat coz of some ethical dilemma?
 
Or is there no such thing?
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« Reply #11 on: Feb 23rd, 2004, 1:49pm »
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on Feb 23rd, 2004, 1:38pm, Mij wrote:
Americans has arrived to that point where you vote AGAINST someone instead of FOR someone.
 
That happens a lot here up North.

 
This happens almost every where Mij, almost.
I deeply understand the feelings of our american buds. Ralph is OK but if a certain number of people vote him, Kerry has less chances to kick off that animal of Bush.
 
I had the same problems in Italy for years....
 
Nevertheless something must change. It is hard to maintain a bipolar electoral system with two almost identical candidates.
But I am pretty sure that Kerry is far less bad than Bush. How can someone be badder than Bush ?
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« Reply #12 on: Feb 23rd, 2004, 3:06pm »
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on Feb 23rd, 2004, 1:45pm, stride wrote:
Why can't it be that Nader takes votes off of ''disgruntled'' repuplicans
 Republicans ,..who  wont vote republican coz of Bush's ethics ,.and won't vote democrat coz of some ethical dilemma?
Or is there no such thing?

 
Why take a chance ?
 
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« Reply #13 on: Feb 23rd, 2004, 3:07pm »
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When we start telling good people not to run, what kind of a country are we? Don't get me wrong Ronnie, I see your point and understand that you want the best outcome for the US and the world even if it's a lesser evil that produces it...but...I believe it's a mistake to vote for the lesser of two evils. I think Al Sharpton was right when he said "any of the dems in their worst nightmare would be better than Bush"...but now we have a TRUE consumer advocate, who is NOT IN ANYONE's POCKET. I doubt the US is smart enough to elect him, the dam airheads keep going for the one with the spiffiest TV commercials, and they get what they deserve.
 
Nader himself is also a Kucinich fan. Then Kucinich backed Edwards when the was stuck ar 2%. nader is watching the polls to make sure he is not putting Bush in, and if says that, you can believe it.
 
I can say one thing for sure, if Nader get's in, this will become a beautiful country the likes of which we, nor the world, has ever known. We shall see the awesome power of the US harnessed to become a catalyst for worldwide change. Nothing less than that will happen. Please reconsider and have courage in the face of uncertanity because of what's at stake.
 
Besides, I say a poll last week that said only 34% of REPUBLICANS like W. He has only the support of the far right wing, the rest of the republicans do not like operating by generating trillions of dollars in debt for their children to pay off, they know it's bad for business.
 
Don't forget that the although the republicans voted down the line with the money for the medicare scandal, the majority of the dems voted with the money too.... 4 more years? or is this enough??
 
I have the exit poll data from 2000. Nader took more republicans than you may suspect, (I'll see if I can find the data). NOW, we have a prez who has ticked off MORE Republicans big time... He may even take MORE Republican votes than democrats, how can anyone know, (all Republicans are not monsters like Bush.
 
And if by the grace of God Nader gets into a debate with asshole, he will tear him to shreds, i've seen nader confront assholes, there is not a shres left of them. There is no one who could debate Bush better than Nader.  
 
God...where is that link! I had it under my posts for a long time, it had exit poll data as well as a bush lover who called in....I'll find it.
 
Vote for the BEST man, and tell your frends to do the same...or, keep an eye to the sky.  
 
Whatever all you guys say in this thread, I'm just glad you all care and are vocal.
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« Reply #14 on: Feb 23rd, 2004, 4:18pm »
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Again, I have ALWAYS supported candidates off the beaten path. But the stakes are just too high now. This is a rare case where each vote does indeed make a difference. Another Bush term is just too horrible to even imagine.
 
I do like Ralph, and he's been a good guy for years. But he is a single issue candidate, and it seems he's really just being an obstinate jerk this time. Does he care so little for the U.S. and the world that he'll manufacture Bush's re-election? ? ?
 
Vote for the one who can win.
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