[quote="Ronny's Noomies"][quote="just plain doug"]In other words, Baddy would rather have his job outsourced overseas, and live in a tent in the park while paying high medical expenses, if it saved innocent Afghan famly lives.
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Baddy wants to have it both ways. He passionately worries about the victims of war, yet all he does about it is sit and write endless attacks on the [i]Zappa[/i] forum, of all places. And he [color=blue]protects the status quo[/img] by supporting candidates who have no say. Doesn't add up.[/quote]

Why are you so interested in telling other's what I'm saying, (and what I'm doing, and calling me names like hypocrite, etc)? Why not let other's decide for themselves who I am. I'm posting tons of information, backed up by sources, that's not on TV. That's just [i]one facet[/i] of what antiwar folks are supposed to do: talk with our friends about what's wrong with our government...especially when it's become so thoroughly corrupt. Why not let others decide for themselves about who I am and what I do, (and spare us the negative energy and distraction that your personal attacks bring to the forum...it's just bad energy you're bringing, and it distracts off the important points in the threads).

People can see all the the facts and information I'm posting (that I back up with sources), ...and they can see what's coming back from you..

I hope the zappaforum can become a progressive place like [url=http://counterpunch.com]COUNTERPUNCH[/url], [url=http://antiwar.com][ANTIWAR_COM[/url], or [url=democracynow.org[/url], and attract more anti war people. Right now it's too bad the antiwar people here are personally attacked for posting antiwar information... That's not an antiwar view, (and it also just so happens that's it's not an anti-corruption view either, what a coincidence...you get fucked all the way around with the douche bags).

With regards to the economy:

The jobs aint comin back until we exit the WTO, NAFTA,and CAFTA, and Obama ain't doin' that so the jobs aint comin back....if the jobs don't come back, the economy's goin' down. That's just the way it is. No industrial economy can withstand the excervation of it's manufacturing base.

And Obama's (and McCains), corporate driven assault on our economy doesn't stop there, for example let's not forget that Obama just voted to raise the national debt by 4 trillion to bail out his biggest Wall Street sponsors who got caught with their pants down in their scam. Debt up to $15 trillion and war borrowing through the nose? No problem for Obama, he's a multi-millionaire, he's all set.

And he just voted to raise the Pentagon budget to a whopping $700, 000, 000, 000 a year, voting to almost double it from a few short years ago...no problem, we got the money...Japan and China will keep lending us war money until they figure the kids can no longer keep up with the interest on the national debt. Whenthe kids can no longer keep up with paying the interest on the nat'l debt, the lending of war money will stop...and so will the bombing.

And here's Cramers comments on Timothy Geithner of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York being considered for Obama's US Treasury, saying:

[img]http://znakomi.com/zappaforum/2008/cramerimage.jpg[/img]

[url=http://znakomi.com/zappaforum/2008/cramerontimgeithner.htm][b]CRAMER_ "Oh Lordy, why not continue the policys of mutually assured monetary destruction under the new administration, that works!"[/b][/url].

Just like the Dem betrayal of '06, if one knows this shit ahead of time they won't be disappointed later, (with our corporatly controlled government, change only means being disappointed by someone new).

For those who voted to surge the Afghan war in hopes Obama is going to do something to slow the downward economic spiral, save yourself some disappointment later when reality sets in, there is zero chance Obama is going to slow the downward spiral, none, zero, zilch.

It's interesting, since the Democrat betrayal of 2006, the Democratically controlled Congress' approval rating has been in the teens, (yes, even below Bush's approval rating). Now, with 90% of those Congressmen voted back into their seats, we're supposed to think change is coming?

And Obama's praising Bush's "Rummy replacement" Robert Gates, looking at keeping Bush's Secretary of Defense on the job..now THERE'S some change, that's a relief.

Hell, the writing's on the wall in fluorescent magic marker...that he'd even praise Gates, let alone consider keeping him on...how do I spell duhhhh?

...And [i][b]RAHM EMANUEL[/b][/i], (Mr. fucking AIPAC lobby himself, and campain finance director who's funds distribution actualy [i][b]rigged[/b][/i] the pro-war Dem Congress of '06), for Chief of Staff...holy fucken shit, there's your answer on any hope of change right there....it can't get more clear than that.

Here's an article on how he duped the lesser evils while they weren't looking...some knew the fix was in, some felt betrayed when the Dem Congress doubled the war money sent to Bush, sending him tens of billions motre than he even asked for...rather than ending the wars as was the promise they were voted in on...and here they go, promising again.

October 14-15, 2006 (note, yes, this is BEFORE the election, some didn't feel betrayed because they knew what was coming...just like we know now).
[size=18][b]How Rahm Emanuel Has Rigged a Pro-War Congress
Election 2006: The Fix is Already In[/size][/b]
By JOHN WALSH
[url=http://www.counterpunch.org/walsh10142006.html]FULL STORY HERE[/url]

Here's a couple of quotes from a recent Paul Craig Roberts article, (Frmr Asst Sec of the US Treasury; he knows how DC runs), and before someone says he's a "Bush Lover," [url=http://http://www.google.com/search?q=%22paul+craig+roberts%22+%2B+Bush&btnG=Google+Search&domains=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.counterpunch.org&sitesearch=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.counterpunch.org]here's a link to about a hundred of his anti-bush articles[/url]).

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November 10, 2008
[size=18][b]Obama, Rahm-bo and the End of the New American Century 
Conned Again?[/b][/size]
By PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS 
[url=http://counterpunch.com/roberts11102008.html]FULL ARTICLE HERE[/url]

..."Indeed, Obama’s selection of Rahm Emanuel as White House chief of staff is a signal that change ended with Obama’s election. The only thing different about the new administration will be the faces. 
...
[b]Rahm Emanue[/b]l is a supporter of Bush’s invasion of Iraq. Emanuel rose to prominence in the Democratic Party as a result of his fundraising connections to AIPAC. A strong supporter of the American Israeli Public Affairs Committee, he comes from a terrorist family. His father was a member of Irgun, a Jewish terrorist organization that used violence to drive the British and Palestinians out of Palestine in order to create the Jewish state.
... He was a member of the Freddie Mac board of directors and received $231,655 in directors fees in 2001. According to Wikipedia, “during the time Emanuel spent on the board, Freddie Mac was plagued with scandals involving campaign contributions and accounting irregularities.” 
But Obama’s advisers are drawn from the same gang of Washington thugs and Wall Street banksters as Bush’s. [b]Richard Holbrooke[/b], was an assistant secretary of state and ambassador in the Clinton administration.
...
[b]Madeline Albright[/b] is the Clinton era secretary of state who told Leslie Stahl (60 Minutes) that the US policy of Iraq sanctions, which resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi children, had goals important enough to justify the children’s deaths. Albright’s infamous words: “we think the price is worth it.” 
 ...
[b]Dennis Ross[/b] has long associations with the Israeli-Palestinian “peace negotiations.” A member of his Clinton era team, Aaron David Miller, wrote that during 1999-2000 the US negotiating team led by Ross acted as Israel’s lawyer: “we had to run everything by Israel first.” 
Clearly, this is not a group of advisors that is going to halt America’s wars against Israel’s enemies or force the Israeli government to accept the necessary conditions for a real peace in the Middle East. 
...
[color=green][b]Obama’s economic team is just as bad. Its star is Robert Rubin, the bankster who was secretary of the treasury in the Clinton administration. Rubin has responsibility for the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act and, thereby, responsibility for the current financial crisis.[/b]
How much more can the government borrow? America’s foreign creditors are asking this question. An official organ of the Chinese ruling party recently called for Asian and European countries to “banish the US dollar from their direct trade relations, relying only on their own currencies.” 
...
The change that is coming is the end of American empire. The hegemon has run out of money and influence. Obama as “America’s First Black President” will lift hopes and, thus, allow the act to be carried on a little longer. But the New American Century is already over."
END ARTICLE
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